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Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

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Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

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Post by Piskvorrr »

bichiliad wrote: post #9

I seriously can't imagine how much pressure engineers at Apple were to ship this patch. Considering they tend to ship infrequently, I doubt they have the sort of QA turn-around that'd support emergency releases. Remember that: - They learned about this yesterday - They had as much heads up as the general public did - They are a large company. I don't disagree that the apparent QA quality from Apple software isn't wha…

- They learned about this yesterday

Nope.

- They had as much heads up as the general public did

I.e. two weeks.

- They are a large company.

That's a point to their discredit. For a garage op, this would be acceptable.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

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Post by tinus_hn »

melling wrote: post #19
bichiliad wrote: post #9

I seriously can't imagine how much pressure engineers at Apple were to ship this patch. Considering they tend to ship infrequently, I doubt they have the sort of QA turn-around that'd support emergency releases. Remember that: - They learned about this yesterday - They had as much heads up as the general public did - They are a large company. I don't disagree that the apparent QA quality from Apple software isn't wha…

High Sierra bricked my 2010 iMac. Haven’t even bothered to try and repair it. It shipped with one of those crappy slow HD’s Apple used to save money.

> Haven’t even bothered to try and repair it.

Then what are you complaining about? It isn’t magic, things do break sometimes.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

#44

Post by mikeash »

roblabla wrote: post #10
bichiliad wrote: post #9

I seriously can't imagine how much pressure engineers at Apple were to ship this patch. Considering they tend to ship infrequently, I doubt they have the sort of QA turn-around that'd support emergency releases. Remember that: - They learned about this yesterday - They had as much heads up as the general public did - They are a large company. I don't disagree that the apparent QA quality from Apple software isn't wha…

The fact they learned this only yesterday is amazingly stupid to start with. People were talking about this weeks ago on the Apple Forums, as a "neat trick" : https://twitter.com/fristle/status/935670476214378496 . Surely a moderator should have noticed something was wrong at that point. This is a major fuckup the kind of which should be illegal.

One person mentioned it in a forum thread. Apparently nobody involved in the conversation realized the implications of it, and I don’t think anybody in the thread works for Apple.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

#45

Post by mikeash »

Piskvorrr wrote: post #41
bichiliad wrote: post #9

I seriously can't imagine how much pressure engineers at Apple were to ship this patch. Considering they tend to ship infrequently, I doubt they have the sort of QA turn-around that'd support emergency releases. Remember that: - They learned about this yesterday - They had as much heads up as the general public did - They are a large company. I don't disagree that the apparent QA quality from Apple software isn't wha…

- They learned about this yesterday Nope. - They had as much heads up as the general public did I.e. two weeks. - They are a large company. That's a point to their discredit. For a garage op, this would be acceptable.

Except for one random guy on an old forum thread, everybody found out about the bug two days ago.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

#47

Post by jason_slack »

LCDninja wrote: post #26

Seriously! I can’t even install 10.13.1 on my Mac Pro 2013 - computer acts like its bricked until rebooted a number of times (and when it finally boots we’re back at 10.13). This also means I can’t install the latest security update that fixes the root problem (and yes, i’ve changed the root password to mitigate). OSX is becoming more like Windows every day.

Me too!!. I was almost ready to wipe and reload.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

#48

Post by Spooky23 »

szc wrote: post #24
Spooky23 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel bad for the engineers, but seriously screw Apple on this. They have an overcomplicated setup with little internal Kerberos implementations on every Mac to make peer to peer networking easier. If it’s like everything else, it’s probably ancient and crufty. The dude who wrote it probably cashed out years ago. Some engineer rushed through and made the original worst-case-scenario error, and the guys cleaning up t…

I designed and implemented quite lot of the LocalKDC mechanism - um, roughly about 11-12 years ago now I think. At the time it was based on the MIT version of Kerberos. When Apple switched to using Heimdal, the LocalKDC implementation was updated and it has been maintained since then - I am no longer the maintainer of this software. I haven't cashed out. As to why the LocalKDC exists? How can you do secure peer-to-pe…

Thanks for replying. Sorry if I was throwing too much vitriol and no personal affront was intended.

I had a real bad day yesterday... my customers were freaking out about this particular issue. I recall doing some enterprise Mac rollouts back in the Tiger days and you'd see alot of changes as support for things like AD evolved.

Apple has really good communications and documentation around iOS, which comes through in the iOS Security Guide, which is probably one of the best examples of that type of documentation. That hasn't been the case with MacOS, and its mysterious evolution, which feels pretty capricious from a customer POV at times. End of the day, I get paid to turn money + labor into answers to business problems -- Mac has turned into a wildcard for me, which saddens me as I love the platform.

Re: Repair file sharing after Security Update 2017-001 for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1

#49

Post by Piskvorrr »

mikeash wrote: post #45
Piskvorrr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- They learned about this yesterday Nope. - They had as much heads up as the general public did I.e. two weeks. - They are a large company. That's a point to their discredit. For a garage op, this would be acceptable.

Except for one random guy on an old forum thread, everybody found out about the bug two days ago.

Well then. yakketysax.mid

https://www.wired.com/story/macos-update-undoes-apple-root-b...

How much more is needed to pop the Apple Reality Distortion Field?

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