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Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

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I got the last mac book pro at work, coming from a 2015 model I use at home.

Pro :

- it is lighter. I don't really find it is a very relevant pro, the previous one is already a light device so this isn't really relevant but it would not be fair to do not list it.

- touch id is very convenient. It has one huge caveat : it is very capricious. For example each time the mbp crashes, fingerprints are automatically deleted. I guess it is a security measure, but it makes it a pain to register my fingers again since the machine is not that stable.

Meh :

- the touchpad is extremely large, I am not sure why. I had no problem with the old one. I sometimes tap on the pad by mistake but that does not happen often.

Cons :

-Touchbar : I can't wrap my mind around it. It is just bad. This is such a gimmick, and a badly implemented one. I can't count the number of times I mistyped on this band. Accessing a feature almost always take more time than with the old regular keyboard. On top of that, I really miss the tactility of a simple button. I am used to type without looking at the keyboard and with buttons you can't press it is far from comfortable to do so.

I am on the verge of just using a dedicated keyboard and touchpad just to do not have to use this touchbar.

It makes me very uncomfortable, but the high end machine my company bought for me is objectively less suited to my use case than the 2 years old one I have at home.

It is the first time that even after a couple of months, I can't get used to a new machine and long to go back to the last one.

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

#43

I've owned a Macbook Pro 2015. I've also owned about 3 different Cherry Blue MX mechanical keyboards. I pre-ordered the new Macbook Pro 2016 when it originally came out. Here's my take after using it for more than 6-7? months (no clue, time goes by): 1) I am extremely happy with the butterfly keyboard. There is absolutely no issues with it for me and it's my ideal keyboard. I honestly do not understand people who say…

Do you find the Touchbar actually useful, or are you just indifferent / don't really use it?

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: #1 Agreed, my MacBook 12” keyboard is my favorite so far. My wife’s, however, feels like crap. Same year, only difference is color.

Yeah I enjoy butterfly switches so much that I'd be genuinely upset if Apple gave in and changed back.

You’ve also been lucky. Everyone is getting sticky and dead keys on these. I had “B” stick and double press, eventually it stopped after a few more weeks of use, but you can feel a key here and there being a little stubborn. It’s way more fragile than older keyboards.

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

#45

If you go all USB-C, the new models are fine. I think the primary argument is that Touch Bar sucks and I think it's overall useless to people who are used to a keyboard being a keyboard that's it... Which is probably all pro users for the most part.

> If you go all USB-C, the new models are fine

What if I don't want to go all USB-C, especially since USB-C is a disaster? https://marco.org/2017/10/14/impossible-dream-of-usb-c A "Pro" computer should serve my needs, not the other way around. I'm sick of Apple breaking things for no damn reason and then acting like I'm the problem for not just going along with it.

> I think the primary argument is that Touch Bar sucks

That's not the primary argument. Most people who dislike this machine think the touch bar is at least inoffensive, if not particularly useful. The primary arguments are:

1. If you get so much as a speck of dust in the keyboard, it bricks the machine and requires a >$500 repair, with no guarantees that it won't happen again the very next day.

2. The lack of useful ports means you have to carry dongles (at $80 a pop) everywhere.

3. They made a perfectly thin-enough and light-enough machine thinner and lighter, giving it worse battery life for no good reason.

4. They made a perfectly big-enough trackpad bigger, increasing the spurious input rate for no good reason.

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

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post #43

I've owned a Macbook Pro 2015. I've also owned about 3 different Cherry Blue MX mechanical keyboards. I pre-ordered the new Macbook Pro 2016 when it originally came out. Here's my take after using it for more than 6-7? months (no clue, time goes by): 1) I am extremely happy with the butterfly keyboard. There is absolutely no issues with it for me and it's my ideal keyboard. I honestly do not understand people who say…

Do you find the Touchbar actually useful, or are you just indifferent / don't really use it?

I think the Touchbar could potentially be useful, but besides being cool and myself really liking sliders, I don't get practical use out of it, at least maybe not to warrant $400 for some people.

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

#47
I had a terrible experience during the first days with a MBP 13”, which was kinda offset by being amazed by the touchbar. That faded quickly though.

Finding ESC without any physical affordance is a pain in the ass. Normal things like cancelling a dialog become a hurdle. I haven’t used the middle section of the touchbar in weeks - nothing really useful there. I hate the way the volume slider works. A few days back almost hurt my ears when accidentally maxed out the volume while swiping off a bit of dust from the metal right above it.

I’ve had the standard dead key issue but it fixed itself. The keyboard actually feels nice, but a key gets a bit sticky every other day.

What made my experience better is fully embracing USB-C. I have a hub connected to a 4K monitor, headphones and power, so I can sit down and plug in a single cable that does everything - this feels magical. [To be fair, sometimes two cables since the hub can’t keep up with charging under heavy load.]

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

#48

I think they should show some courage and make a Pro quality laptop again - one that doesn’t require dongles. Make it thicker, maybe even make it black. Developers don’t want the thinnest , we want the best . It’s probably never gonna happen because they are a mobile device company now and that is where the money is.

I think that's the problem, developers have different tastes. If I wanted a monster, I would get a Lenovo P71 with a Xeon at almost 8 pounds, or something like it. I like the 17 MBP for the most part, except the arrow keys and the size of the track pad (too big, I keep palming it). I like it better than the 13 I had before it.

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

#49

I got the last mac book pro at work, coming from a 2015 model I use at home. Pro : - it is lighter. I don't really find it is a very relevant pro, the previous one is already a light device so this isn't really relevant but it would not be fair to do not list it. - touch id is very convenient. It has one huge caveat : it is very capricious. For example each time the mbp crashes, fingerprints are automatically deleted…

Another minor cons is that just came to mind is that there is no longer an indicator on the keyboard's bezel giving you the position of the ports.

It was pretty useful but Apple has discarded them..

That's too bad, even something really discrete like a line or even a point would be great.

Lastly : magsafe was great. I am all for a future where we use USB-c but is it impossible to have a magnetic adapter on the powerplug cable ?

Re: Fixing the MacBook Pro

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post #43

I've owned a Macbook Pro 2015. I've also owned about 3 different Cherry Blue MX mechanical keyboards. I pre-ordered the new Macbook Pro 2016 when it originally came out. Here's my take after using it for more than 6-7? months (no clue, time goes by): 1) I am extremely happy with the butterfly keyboard. There is absolutely no issues with it for me and it's my ideal keyboard. I honestly do not understand people who say…

Do you find the Touchbar actually useful, or are you just indifferent / don't really use it?

I have a $job-provided MBP with the touchbar, and I find it actively evil. I am _constantly_ resting my fingers in the general vicinity of the top row, which triggers F11-type behavior, volume changes, esc-key hits, etc. It is a _damnably_ sensitive gimmick, pressure-sensitivity would improve it, but in general its a solution looking for a problem. In its current incarnation, I do not like it at all.
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