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Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

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Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#41

Make it an app not a website. Users can download and install it, enter flight data and click to start monitoring.

And support more airlines and not call yourself southwest monkey. Plenty of airlines have policies about lower prices so there is a market for this.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#42

The landing page ( https://www.swmonkey.com/ ) still has the workd "Southwest" used several times, and the picture of what is obviously a Southwest plane. I wish common sense prevails and this (obviously very useful) service doesn't die because the founder can't control his ego.

Founder here: There is one case where I use the name SouthwestMonkey instead of swmonkey. I realize that that was a bad naming decision. All the other references to southwest are to the Airline and not this service.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#43
post #28

Does putting a human in the loop make scraping okay? Can there be a button on the web page : "please click here to run a price check for one of your fellow travelers" that initiates a web page being fetched, attached to a round-robin queue of fares that are being monitored?

I don't think so. All they would have to do is change their terms in conditions to prohibit round robin schemes and then send me a new cease and desist...

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#44

I made an open source version of this. https://github.com/scott113341/southwest-price-drop-bot

Nice work, it even has a deploy to Heroku button! Honestly, I think it's pretty lame trying to profit from arbitrage on SW prices like that. $3 per alert? Really? Great job making an OSS implementation.

They're providing you a service by coding it up, hosting it, dealing with customer service requests and Southwest's lawyers, etc. Seems fair to charge $3 to provide the service of saving you money. Also seems fair to try outcompeting them by providing that service for free at your own expense.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#45

I made an open source version of this. https://github.com/scott113341/southwest-price-drop-bot

Nice work, it even has a deploy to Heroku button! Honestly, I think it's pretty lame trying to profit from arbitrage on SW prices like that. $3 per alert? Really? Great job making an OSS implementation.

> pretty lame trying to profit from arbitrage

Lame? Possibly. Profitable? Probably.

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#46

Given they're charging for this service, maybe there's a way to make it work economically by having low cost workers (e.g. Mechanical Turk or even a bank of workers in certain countries) perform the checks manually (you could even create a browser extension that automates the form filling, but leaves a human to push the button and parse the results). At least by offering it as a paid service, they have some sums they…

Set it up so the user's browser scrapes it when a button is pressed, and send a reminder every X days as chosen by the user.... User comes to your site, clicks a button, and Southwest's page loads in an iframe, where js does the lifting.

That's a neat idea. I imagine a service worker could also be used to do checks in the background, and unless SW wants to ban every IP that hits their site.. :-D

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#47

Given they're charging for this service, maybe there's a way to make it work economically by having low cost workers (e.g. Mechanical Turk or even a bank of workers in certain countries) perform the checks manually (you could even create a browser extension that automates the form filling, but leaves a human to push the button and parse the results). At least by offering it as a paid service, they have some sums they…

Set it up so the user's browser scrapes it when a button is pressed, and send a reminder every X days as chosen by the user.... User comes to your site, clicks a button, and Southwest's page loads in an iframe, where js does the lifting.

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Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#48
post #12

"The problem I see with their argument is that they are making this information public." I love this idea! However, I think that unfortunately this argument doesn't hold up, and wouldn't in court. The information is available via their site, but that does not make it public.

> The information is available via their site, but that does not make it public.

Could one offer fair information if there's no reference to Southwest? Is having a website full of listings like "flightno: 123, flight_datetime: 2018-03-04-1045, price: 234.56, price_datetime: 2017-11-15-1130" something Southwest could successfully block?

Re: Southwest Airlines is intimidating our startup

#50
post #14

If you're not in the US, what could a company do to stop you from scraping?

Realistically they would sue you in your country. Worst-case, they have you prosecuted for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and demand extradition (most countries have extradition treaties with the US)
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