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Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by skymt »

imron wrote: post #22
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the constant focus on family friendly content is killing basically all of the channels I really enjoy watching If you're not paying for YouTube, they have to get money from somewhere and if those somewheres don't want to advertise on non-family friendly content, what are YouTube supposed to do? Go bankrupt on principle?

Something like Patreon where people pay for premium content would work. They could set something up so creators could mark videos as premium, and then people have to pay a certain amount to watch. Google already has the payments side of things covered from their other services, it really wouldn't be a stretch to add something like this. Creators are basically having to do this anyway using a different site (Patreon)…

Alternate take: video creators can already use Patreon; Google adding an equivalent feature doesn't help them. It would actually be harmful if Google decides to pressure creators to move off Patreon onto their own system, since the creators would need to rebuild their paying subscriber base from zero. The only party that would benefit from Google adding that feature would be Google.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by falcolas »

reustle wrote: post #23
lucisferre wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be out of the loop here, can you post some context for this?

Here are a few from my subscriptions page: ElectroBoom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN3j0jZirs Abroad In Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5lMM160etI AvE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxgn0_yU-8 Neistat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZakJFqdpRY Philip DeFranco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa6PA8XQtQ

Another, experiencing a 90%+ drop in YouTube revenue since the latest update:

Sid Alpha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5eODFxwy0

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by ghaff »

mtgx wrote: post #26
lucisferre wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be out of the loop here, can you post some context for this?

You can Google "Adpocalypse" for more info on this. Here are a couple of articles on it: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/youtube-broadcasters... http://www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/04/how-youtube-adpocalypse... It started when some big advertisers made waves about their ads being placed on "extremist" videos on YouTube. Some quit Google's network at the time, too. To beg them back, Google essentially started re…

Is this even slightly surprising (or unreasonable)? An ad placement agency--which is effectively what google is acting as from an advertising perspective--wants safe, uncontroversial placements for at least most of their clients, especially big mainstream ones. They're mostly not looking for "edgy." The main surprise to me is that advertising support for a fair bit of non-mainstream content has held up as long as it has.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by watwut »

TheCoreh wrote: post #40
gipp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 weeks ago: https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demoneti... People also need to realize that the alternative is massive amounts of ad dollars simply being removed from YouTube altogether. The demonetization drive came from advertisers' outrage over the lack of control over where their ads appear. Without the demonetization push, they start pulling out en masse and everyone loses out.

Or, they could create two separate ad categories by including an option like "Allow ad to be displayed on potentially controversial, offensive or profane content". That way instead if being demonetized videos could simply be moved to this bucket and get ads from less high profile brands, that don't care about this.

Advertisers from France will never agree with advertisers from America on what is controversial. Not even speaking about advertisers from Saudi Arabia.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by gadders »

lucisferre wrote: post #12
reustle wrote: post #9

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are…

I must be out of the loop here, can you post some context for this?

Also Bro Science Life and Gaad Sad.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by falcolas »

gipp wrote: post #27
reustle wrote: post #9

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are…

2 weeks ago: https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/27/16556980/youtube-demoneti... People also need to realize that the alternative is massive amounts of ad dollars simply being removed from YouTube altogether. The demonetization drive came from advertisers' outrage over the lack of control over where their ads appear. Without the demonetization push, they start pulling out en masse and everyone loses out.

Ooooor, Google could pony up and have a human look at AI flagged demonitized videos (or even just those whose appeals are consistently succeeding) instead of their usual "kill them all and let God, err, appeals sort them out" routine.

They're effectively sacrificing an entire genre (Gaming) at the alter of advertisers. A great way to lose the very content that brings advertisers and viewers to the platform in the first place.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by dalbasal »

reustle wrote: post #9

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are…

Based on who the complainers I’ve seen are, I’m sure that at the very least youtube threw out some baby with bathwater. But that said, their monetisation has not been successful. They do need to make big, hard changes.

A lot of what monetisation did was encourage spam, or content quality just above the spam threshold. Meanwhile, patreon (though obviously which a much smaller footprint) seems to encourage the kind of content youtube should want to encourage.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by ghaff »

FussyZeus wrote: post #37
imron wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a family friendliness issue causing this, it's an 'advertiser friendliness' one. Anytime an ad was shown on a slightly controversial video, an internet outrage mob would descend on the advertiser saying how dare they provide money to . Advertisers pressured Youtube for ways to advertise only on non-controversial videos. Youtube responded by demonetizing anything even halfway controversial.

> It's not a family friendliness issue causing this, it's an 'advertiser friendliness' one. What's the difference? In my mind those are the same thing.

While you don't have any inherent right to, in practice you can post a pretty wide range of content to YouTube without charge. But certainly no one has an obligation to pay you for that just like no one has an obligation to pay you for writing a blog on pretty much any topic you desire.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by falcolas »

pjc50 wrote: post #28
reustle wrote: post #9

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are…

Creators aren't paying google. Creators are the product.

No, creators are the bait that bring the real product (our eyeballs) to the site in the first place. Those eyeballs; those are the real product being sold.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by FussyZeus »

imron wrote: post #22
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the constant focus on family friendly content is killing basically all of the channels I really enjoy watching If you're not paying for YouTube, they have to get money from somewhere and if those somewheres don't want to advertise on non-family friendly content, what are YouTube supposed to do? Go bankrupt on principle?

Something like Patreon where people pay for premium content would work. They could set something up so creators could mark videos as premium, and then people have to pay a certain amount to watch. Google already has the payments side of things covered from their other services, it really wouldn't be a stretch to add something like this. Creators are basically having to do this anyway using a different site (Patreon)…

I thought Google wasn't allowing patreon links anymore?
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