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Re: Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap

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Post by sandworm101 »

twelve40 wrote: post #40
sandworm101 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> 150mph travel without slowdowns for congestion will cut travel time to less than half. Yes, just as the shift to supersonic air travel radically reduced flying times. >>If you want to drive manually, go to the track "Take it to the track" has been chanted for decades. It has long been possible to build cars physically or electronically unable to break speed limits. No such product has ever been brought to market.…

> Driving is not hard. It isn't even remotely dangerous compared to many jobs Hate to point out the obvious, but 35,000 people die every year in US because of driving. That's a lot of deaths. I would vote for avoiding those deaths - even though I enjoy a recreational drive once a year or so (all other times for me driving is a blood-boiling waste of life called commute).

2,596,993 people die every year in the US. That number cannot really be changed. People have to die of something. 35,000 means my chance of death by car accident, over my lifetime, is about 1.3%. That's minuscule. That I don't drink, or drive a motorcycle (anymore) pushes my likelihood down further, far below 1%.

Driving is not statistically dangerous. Doing it wrong (drinking) can make it dangerous but compared to any number of other activities (light aircraft, horse riding, scuba diving etc) it is remarkably safe.

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Post by petraeus »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #18
cabaalis wrote: post #8

There will not be an on-demand service for everything. How would one load up trash in the back of a pickup truck to take to the landfill? How would you take a fishing trip off road to the edge of the lake? A lot of what I read would work fine for urban environments. It would not cover all the use cases we currently have for our vehicles.

"How would one load up trash in the back of a pickup truck to take to the landfill?" The same way I do it now, rent or buy a truck or a trailer. "How would you take a fishing trip off road to the edge of the lake?" You rent or buy a manual drive car. It'd be illegal to use in manual drive mode on the freeway or in the city but off road or on the track or on your own property you can use it however you want.

haha no

Re: Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap

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Post by petraeus »

I think people are relying too much on legislation to usher in this new utopia of self-driving

There will be no legislation outlawing the use of our current manually operated vehicles. Ever. To think that the whole of government would endorse such idiocy demonstrates how little one knows about bureaucracy.

Re: Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap

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Post by uoaei »

mindcrime wrote: post #25
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

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"kill me now" That's exactly what's happening now. 37,000 deaths per year just in the US. But it won't be the deaths that will cause the change to happen: if the US actually cared more about preventing fatalities than "freedom" it'd regulate guns. The trigger for outlawing manual driving in cities and on freeways will be the convenience factor: 150mph travel without slowdowns for congestion will cut travel time to le…

if the US actually cared more about preventing fatalities than "freedom" it'd regulate guns Guns are regulated in the US. See: Gun Control Act of 1968, Volkmer-McClure Amendment, mandatory Instant Background Check for most gun purchases, etc. That said, I don't understand your mindset. Why do you think that we'd want to "care more about preventing fatalities than 'freedom'"? From where I'm standing, it seems that Fre…

Shouldn't people also have the freedom to not have bullets put in their bodies? How do you grant them the freedom to live in peace?

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Post by mythrwy »

monkmartinez wrote: post #14
mindcrime wrote: post #3

These transportation companies will be able to order modules of various sizes — short ones, medium ones, long ones, even pickup modules. But the performance will be the same for all because nobody will be passing anybody else on the highway. That is the death knell for companies such as BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi. That kind of performance is not going to count anymore. If he's right, kill me now. I really don't want…

I suppose people that were into horses felt the same way when automobiles were first introduced. They knew the bloodlines and "genetics" of a good horse. The emergence of autos made that knowledge less valuable and/or relevant. I do want to live in that world and I live in the suburbs of vanilla tract homes, charter schools, and club soccer. Vehicles are expensive in either time, money or both... I recently did the b…

I saw a guy in line at a fast food drive-through on a horse a few months back. I don't know if there's laws against it but he was just riding around town like it was car (small town). Haven't seen him since so IDK what the outcome was.

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Post by mythrwy »

esaym wrote: post #31

I will love to see how these "smart" vehicles handle kids on top of overpasses dropping rocks and nails on them (which already happens way too frequently around here)

Send out a drone and take some footage with GPS location and upload to the police department API so robocop can come deal with the situation.

Re: Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap

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Post by jldugger »

sandworm101 wrote: post #41
twelve40 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Driving is not hard. It isn't even remotely dangerous compared to many jobs Hate to point out the obvious, but 35,000 people die every year in US because of driving. That's a lot of deaths. I would vote for avoiding those deaths - even though I enjoy a recreational drive once a year or so (all other times for me driving is a blood-boiling waste of life called commute).

2,596,993 people die every year in the US. That number cannot really be changed. People have to die of something. 35,000 means my chance of death by car accident, over my lifetime, is about 1.3%. That's minuscule. That I don't drink, or drive a motorcycle (anymore) pushes my likelihood down further, far below 1%. Driving is not statistically dangerous. Doing it wrong (drinking) can make it dangerous but compared to a…

Nobody's saying your deathsport hobby is going to be made illegal, but you'll be outclassed by robots on the public thoroughfares, and possibly priced out of the artisinal motorcar market as the buyers dwindle.

> Driving is not statistically dangerous

Humanity is notoriously bad at making decisions regarding small probabilities, and tradeoffs between risk and money. We know that people give wildly different answers to the questions "how much would you pay to reduce your annual risk of death by X%" vs "how much would you charge to take on an additional annual risk of death of X%?" despite those being more or less mathematically identical. People have the freedom to make stupid, inconsistent choices of course, but that doesn't make them smart or consistent. Just freely chosen.

> 2,596,993 people die every year in the US. That number cannot really be changed. People have to die of something.

That's really, really not the case. Yes, all who live must die, eventually. But there's no conservation of annual human death that means that eradicating smallpox means an equivalent number of people die of choking on pretzels annually. I figure the proper number to track is not percentages, or minimorts, but average longevity.

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Post by gscott »

uoaei wrote: post #44
mindcrime wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the US actually cared more about preventing fatalities than "freedom" it'd regulate guns Guns are regulated in the US. See: Gun Control Act of 1968, Volkmer-McClure Amendment, mandatory Instant Background Check for most gun purchases, etc. That said, I don't understand your mindset. Why do you think that we'd want to "care more about preventing fatalities than 'freedom'"? From where I'm standing, it seems that Fre…

Shouldn't people also have the freedom to not have bullets put in their bodies? How do you grant them the freedom to live in peace?

Being alive means that you have a random chance of being killed multiple ways including choking, a heart attack, tripping and hitting your head, a medical mistake, killed by an improvised explosive device, etc. Welcome to life. The best way to not have bullets in your body is to just go about your daily life because it is more likely you will be killed by lightning from the sky or a transformer from a pole hitting you.

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Post by uoaei »

gscott wrote: post #48
uoaei wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't people also have the freedom to not have bullets put in their bodies? How do you grant them the freedom to live in peace?

Being alive means that you have a random chance of being killed multiple ways including choking, a heart attack, tripping and hitting your head, a medical mistake, killed by an improvised explosive device, etc. Welcome to life. The best way to not have bullets in your body is to just go about your daily life because it is more likely you will be killed by lightning from the sky or a transformer from a pole hitting yo…

The best way to not have guns on your person is to just go about your daily life because it is so unlikely you will ever be in a position where you will need to use one.

Re: Everyone will have 5 years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap

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Post by mindcrime »

uoaei wrote: post #44
mindcrime wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if the US actually cared more about preventing fatalities than "freedom" it'd regulate guns Guns are regulated in the US. See: Gun Control Act of 1968, Volkmer-McClure Amendment, mandatory Instant Background Check for most gun purchases, etc. That said, I don't understand your mindset. Why do you think that we'd want to "care more about preventing fatalities than 'freedom'"? From where I'm standing, it seems that Fre…

Shouldn't people also have the freedom to not have bullets put in their bodies? How do you grant them the freedom to live in peace?

Well there are no guarantees in life; except that if you do it long enough, you die. So no, I can't guarantee that someone won't kill you with a gun... but I also can't guarantee that they won't drive a car into the sidewalk where you're standing, fly a plane into the building you're in, release Sarin gas on your subway car, etc.

What we can do though, as a society, is try to maximize personal Freedom while acknowledging that no system is perfect. We can certainly make sure that your right to be armed, in order to protect yourself in many situations, is respected. We can also ensure that The People are armed as a final, last-ditch check on unrestrained exercise of power by the State.

In the end though, bad things sometimes happen. And I don't see the justification for running rough-shod over people's rights, in an attempt to prevent some potential, may-never-be-realized, harmful scenario.

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