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Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Hi! Founder (Brown) here. Appreciate the traffic! Also, would love to clear up mob misconceptions about: -Why did we pick lightening-rod branding? -Why was this the most humanitarian use of a neuroscience MS/PhD? -What quality of people must we be to do this? -What is design's ethical imperative that, 100 years ago when most died of infections diseases, that this year the majority of people over 50 will die of strong…

So, if you would love to clear up the misconceptions, actually answer all of the questions you listed? The only one you answered is about discounts for your product.

(right, it was more an invitation for discourse!)

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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A casino is usually more profitable than a hospital too. It's probably the central problem of capitalism. Monetary systems draw no distinction between wealth creation and wealth extraction, and the second law of thermodynamics guarantees that the latter will always be much easier. When you design chips, cure diseases, or build rockets you are fighting entropy. When you addict, misinform, and con people entropy is on…

This article made me pretty sad and made me think of this too. I think what an ethical investor needs to do is not deploy capital to any industries that don't add real economic value or wealth or whatever you want to call it. Also, ethical founders should refuse capital from orgs that fund these projects. Basically starve these projects out, but that's sort of idealistic.

It is interesting how this article had the same affect on a lot of people. I also wasn't too comfortable with their angle or what they are doing.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Before I even got through the first paragraph I was reminded of B.F. Skinner and his book 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity', which I read in high school. So it's pretty funny that they named their AI after him. Dopamine labs may be evil, but at least they're self aware.

We love that one! Required reading. His work on why you, me, everyone on this thread, and every species that's part of the subphylum Vertebrata shaped the course of thinking from contemporary Machine Learning techniques like Q-Learning to us! Not evil, have done our reading though ;)

No offense, but I do not believe you.

I can't, on something like this. Talk is cheap.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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I guess it's a win-win situation both ways: - it can make people more addicted to apps to the point where we all fall off cliffs or get run by an app addict while crossing the road using our phones. - or it can push people to the limit where they get so much addicted to their apps that they actually call for interventions, completely abandon their phone, or seek help; introducing youjustneedspace.com

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Hi! Founder (Brown) here. Appreciate the traffic! Also, would love to clear up mob misconceptions about: -Why did we pick lightening-rod branding? -Why was this the most humanitarian use of a neuroscience MS/PhD? -What quality of people must we be to do this? -What is design's ethical imperative that, 100 years ago when most died of infections diseases, that this year the majority of people over 50 will die of strong…

So, if you would love to clear up the misconceptions, actually answer all of the questions you listed? The only one you answered is about discounts for your product.

But I'll give you the TL;DR:

Lightening rod: because now we're on HN.

Humanitarian use: see below about 100 years ago vs. today.

Quality of people: that's why Space is free.

What's design's ethical imperative: also, see below about 100 years ago vs. today.

Founders of push notification companies: Ask the CEOs of Leanplum/Marketo/Intercom/Vizurly/Kahuna why they haven't released an antidote for push notifications? Please. Try to get them to talk about it.

Tristan: great friend, mutual supporters

Pricing model: $0.05/MAU for qualifying startups.

xo

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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I guess it's a win-win situation both ways: - it can make people more addicted to apps to the point where we all fall off cliffs or get run by an app addict while crossing the road using our phones. - or it can push people to the limit where they get so much addicted to their apps that they actually call for interventions, completely abandon their phone, or seek help; introducing youjustneedspace.com

Thanks! We think so too! Also, you have a close sarcasm tag with no open sarcasm tag. Dude that's bad form.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A casino is usually more profitable than a hospital too. It's probably the central problem of capitalism. Monetary systems draw no distinction between wealth creation and wealth extraction, and the second law of thermodynamics guarantees that the latter will always be much easier. When you design chips, cure diseases, or build rockets you are fighting entropy. When you addict, misinform, and con people entropy is on…

This article made me pretty sad and made me think of this too. I think what an ethical investor needs to do is not deploy capital to any industries that don't add real economic value or wealth or whatever you want to call it. Also, ethical founders should refuse capital from orgs that fund these projects. Basically starve these projects out, but that's sort of idealistic.

Unfortunately greed often turns people from ethical to not so ethical pretty quickly. Would be nice if the chaps above could create an AI to help with that!

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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We love that one! Required reading. His work on why you, me, everyone on this thread, and every species that's part of the subphylum Vertebrata shaped the course of thinking from contemporary Machine Learning techniques like Q-Learning to us! Not evil, have done our reading though ;)

No offense, but I do not believe you. I can't, on something like this. Talk is cheap.

What on the evil part? Or that we make the whole team read Skinner? It's a thin book.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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You may not have noticed that their other product is the exact opposite. Maybe that gives them some legal protection? http://youjustneedspace.com/

Thats despicable. They sell both the disease and a cure for double the money.

Bruh. Did you even look at the price on Space?

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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I guess it's a win-win situation both ways: - it can make people more addicted to apps to the point where we all fall off cliffs or get run by an app addict while crossing the road using our phones. - or it can push people to the limit where they get so much addicted to their apps that they actually call for interventions, completely abandon their phone, or seek help; introducing youjustneedspace.com

Thanks! We think so too! Also, you have a close sarcasm tag with no open sarcasm tag. Dude that's bad form.

'Also, you have a close sarcasm tag with no open sarcasm tag' -- sarcasm does not start by priming people of what to come. Especially those who would take you words seriously and start to relate to your comment.
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