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Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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This article is 5 or 7 years too late. We already moved to cities. Now we want to be married and do things that require yards. Or at least own a small piece of the city and no longer be at the mercy of landlords (non-rent controlled renters).

Most importantly, I’ve learned the joy and importance being near my family and spending time with them. These are all things I never cared about in my 20s.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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"ever"? We live in an affluent neighborhood surrounded by Doctors and CPAs. Our kids see that every day. That's their normal. And if/when there are major budget changes to the district, who do you think are the first parents in line advocating for their school? You literally buy your kids a chance at a better future.

School funds should be distributed equally across the entire population. If we were a democracy, rich neighborhoods wouldn't have better schools.

That's not precisely true. Because we live in a democracy, citizens of local governments can collectively vote to levy additional funds for local schools. I agree that federal and state funding should obviate this, but there's nothing intrinsically undemocratic about the current system. (Unfair or badly designed != undemocratic).

Some of the best public schools in the nation exist where I grew up in the Minnesota suburbs. They served trailer parks and public housing the same as the doctors and lawyers. But they also passed levies to increase their own taxes year after year.

It is unfair, and wrong, that Minneapolis inner city schools don't have the same funding, but the vibrancy of the well funded public schools was a consequence of local, effective, democratic political action.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#43

This article is 5 or 7 years too late. We already moved to cities. Now we want to be married and do things that require yards. Or at least own a small piece of the city and no longer be at the mercy of landlords (non-rent controlled renters). Most importantly, I’ve learned the joy and importance being near my family and spending time with them. These are all things I never cared about in my 20s.

Did you read the article? Pretty sure the vast majority of people living in Columbus, IN are in single-family homes.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"ever"? We live in an affluent neighborhood surrounded by Doctors and CPAs. Our kids see that every day. That's their normal. And if/when there are major budget changes to the district, who do you think are the first parents in line advocating for their school? You literally buy your kids a chance at a better future.

School funds should be distributed equally across the entire population. If we were a democracy, rich neighborhoods wouldn't have better schools.

Unfortunately as long as there are better parents there will always be better schools.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#45
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Move abroad. That's simple. Lots of places with much better quality of life. European Union is terrific place: multiple nations, different climates, various cultures, freedom of speech, parlamentary democracy, clean ecology, safety, good education, inexpensive housing.

Moving to the EU as an American is not easy if you don't have the assistance of an employer, or the benefit of marrying into it.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#46
I'm from the Midwest, from the Cedar Rapids area, moved to Chicago, and I have to say I would NEVER EVER move back there.

People from these areas are extremely conservative and xenophobic.

The restaurants and any business you might frequent are of lower quality.

These cities are not world class cities. Claiming that they are is just ignorant. You end up trapped in a little bubble with nowhere to escape to, surrounded by boring white people.

There is NOTHING TO DO.

What if you want to go out on Friday night and see a rock show? Or get a decent dinner? I hope you like commuting to Chicago...

You will be surrounded by insurance salesmen with none of the diversity and vibrancy a larger city offer.

That is to say: These places have no culture. No diversity. They have nothing going on, nobody creating anything, no one performing anything. Just going about their little lives selling insurance.

Additionally: Their nature sucks. I hope you're fine with never hiking through any interesting terrain, going skiing, or rock climbing, or really doing any interesting outdoor activities. ( I guess hunting is popular? )

Also.. where are you going to work? I'm a software developer: Where am I going to work in Cedar Rapids, IA? Some insurance firm doing meaningless banking bullshit?

"But I moved there for my kids!"

What if your kid wants to start a rock band, or be a painter, or do anything creative or interesting? Or, what if they are extremely intelligent and want to progress through a decent, competitive school system?

I can answer this one from personal experience: They will be completely alone surrounded by mediocre, extremely homogeneous racially and otherwise, people with no community of peers driving each other forward.

There will be no friday-night rock shows, no musical culture in general, no museums or after-school clubs or protests to attend. Nowhere to go. Nothing to do. Nowhere to explore.

So, after all I've said: What's left to inspire you, or your kids, in these mediocre little cities?

So I guess if you're willing to do nothing and be nowhere and be nothing, wasting your days watching television, moving to a smaller city is a great bet. Personally, I'd rather live in a decent city than slouch though a mediocre one.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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I did not ever expect to see my old hometown of 30k people on HN. Growing up there in the 80s and 90s, it was a nice enough place, but basically 0 tech jobs outside of doing basic IT or support. My parents still live there (my dad an EE at the mentioned Cummins), but the fortunes of the town are tied to Cummins' stock price. They've done a lot to revitalize the downtown in the last decade, it used to be pretty run down. That said, its still in Indiana, with hot muggy summers and wet cold winters where you don't see the sun for 4 months. People are generally friendly, as long as you're "normal". There's a lot of casual racism and homophobia, I didn't even recognize it until I moved away and had my eyes opened.

I moved to Indy to get a programming job in the early 2000s, and then to Colorado a few years after that. I'm much happier with the climate, the people, and the tech out here. However, the house I close on this month cost 3x what my parents' place is worth.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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I'm from the Midwest, from the Cedar Rapids area, moved to Chicago, and I have to say I would NEVER EVER move back there. People from these areas are extremely conservative and xenophobic. The restaurants and any business you might frequent are of lower quality. These cities are not world class cities. Claiming that they are is just ignorant. You end up trapped in a little bubble with nowhere to escape to, surrounded…

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Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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Move abroad. That's simple. Lots of places with much better quality of life. European Union is terrific place: multiple nations, different climates, various cultures, freedom of speech, parlamentary democracy, clean ecology, safety, good education, inexpensive housing.

Won't you have to pay taxes twice if you're from USA though?

No, you deduct the taxes paid in your place of residence from what you pay in the US. Since taxes are lower in the US than in most developed countries you end up owing the US nothing -- but you still have to file.

Of course, though your taxes may be higher, other expenses may be lower (e.g. telecoms, health care, housing) so you'll probably end up with more in your pocket.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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post #38
post #26

Move abroad. That's simple. Lots of places with much better quality of life. European Union is terrific place: multiple nations, different climates, various cultures, freedom of speech, parlamentary democracy, clean ecology, safety, good education, inexpensive housing.

Won't you have to pay taxes twice if you're from USA though?

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