Live data from Hacker News

Working at Amazon

tbray.org

41–50 of 65 posts

Re: Working at Amazon

#41
> I could go on about di­ver­si­ty ... and so on, but at the end of the day it’s just an­oth­er high-tech com­pa­ny, noth­ing sur­pris­ing.

Dealbreaker. "On balance" in this industry isn't good enough, and if any company can take a leadership role in promoting diversity, it's one of the Big Four.

Re: Working at Amazon

#42
post #14
post #2

it's interesting how Amazon is now positioning themselves as a tier 1 employer. They used to be a tier2. AFAIK they also have a brutal pager culture where you're awoken in the middle of the night.

Do you think the tier 1 thing started after the NYTimes article on them, or before?

I think it started with AWS success

Re: Working at Amazon

#43
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially in places like Seattle if I was to relocate with the family, I'd be an indentured servant, with obligations to pay high rent/mortgage, I'd probably have nowhere to change jobs to, if Amazon didn't work out. That's quite the opposite. Wouldn't living in a big city mean more choices? Seattle for instance has high paying job options from Microsoft, Google, FB if you decide to leave Amazon. However, yes havi…

Aren't the Google and FB offices in Seattle relatively small, satellite offices?

I don't know about Google but I interviewed at FB Seattle and was told it's the second largest FB office after Menlo Park, with thousands of engineers and plans to keep growing.

Re: Working at Amazon

#44
post #9

The biggest flaw in working for all those mega corps, is that despite their size, they still haven't fully embraced remote work. Yes there are island, but Amazon are still looking for that "2nd city" to locate in. Some people may dig going to an office, I don't. If you're lucky to be early in a given neighborhood, you can probably retire on renting out your house. If you're late, like applying to Amazon now would be,…

I go into work every day. I wish I could work remotely. But I don't, because I find I hate every time I'm forced to interact with the people who do. Working remotely makes you a pain in the ass to interact with.

You may not be working at a place where remote work is part of the culture. When everyone is remote, the tools and processes are built around it and it no longer feels like a “pain in the ass”.

Re: Working at Amazon

#45
post #20

Amazon has one thing going for it that I think is a huge deal for a standard BigCo job: if you don't like your initial team, you can switch ANY TIME. And if you're an engineer, you can probably join any team you want. The reason this is such a big deal is that when applying to any company, you'll get placed on a team and it's really hard to get enough information on the culture, mission, management, etc. Once you're…

What was wrong with the first team? How large are teams, generally? Are we talking like, six people, or sixty?

Teams are generally 4 to 8 people. At Amazon you frequently hear the term "two-pizza team", meaning the team can be fed with two large pizzas. That's the size they usually target.

Re: Working at Amazon

#46
post #29

I heard they will actually cut your base pay if stock goes up “too much”. Is this true?

No, but you won't get a raise.

What does happen is this. You get a 2 year bonus to start, about half on your first cheque and the rest spread over each cheque in year 2. This is fine, but in year 3 you see a pretty big drop (you to really get your stock in years 3/4 though).

you know that going in, but it still kind of sucks to check your pay stub when you start your third year and it's down over a thousand a month.

Re: Working at Amazon

#47
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially in places like Seattle if I was to relocate with the family, I'd be an indentured servant, with obligations to pay high rent/mortgage, I'd probably have nowhere to change jobs to, if Amazon didn't work out. That's quite the opposite. Wouldn't living in a big city mean more choices? Seattle for instance has high paying job options from Microsoft, Google, FB if you decide to leave Amazon. However, yes havi…

Aren't the Google and FB offices in Seattle relatively small, satellite offices?

I don't know about FB other than the building looks big, but the Google Seattle presence is certainly not small and is growing:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/google-plan...

Re: Working at Amazon

#48
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially in places like Seattle if I was to relocate with the family, I'd be an indentured servant, with obligations to pay high rent/mortgage, I'd probably have nowhere to change jobs to, if Amazon didn't work out. That's quite the opposite. Wouldn't living in a big city mean more choices? Seattle for instance has high paying job options from Microsoft, Google, FB if you decide to leave Amazon. However, yes havi…

Aren't the Google and FB offices in Seattle relatively small, satellite offices?

Google Seattle-Kirkland is the third largest Google office. I wouldn't classify it as "satellite".

Re: Working at Amazon

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the point of a pager system?

Many companies have overseas teams that take the night shift, eg: every on call dev has 12 on during the day, 12 off at night. Amazon does not based on cultural reasons (allegedly) because it promotes ownership and accountability for those teams. Idea being if you're woken up at 4am because of a flaky test or some issue you'll be more inclined to fix it. And if it's a recurring issue, you'll really want to get it sor…

Meh, I really don't buy that reasoning - but maybe it's my current job where 9/10 "got woken up at night" is stuff that's not really our fault (e.g. something in the datacenter is broken, or missing network connectivity, etc.pp. - and yes, I've heard of multihoming, but it's not the team's budget and decision to not keep stuff redundant...)

Re: Working at Amazon

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I go into work every day. I wish I could work remotely. But I don't, because I find I hate every time I'm forced to interact with the people who do. Working remotely makes you a pain in the ass to interact with.

You may not be working at a place where remote work is part of the culture. When everyone is remote, the tools and processes are built around it and it no longer feels like a “pain in the ass”.

In my experience, even in those places (I've worked in two so far), it's still a pain in the ass.
Post reply on HN