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How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Argh, this must be so frustrating for the Kodi devs...! There really is a very strong case for running a Kodi-box for ones own legit collection, and now it's just mentioned for the (admittedly, probably) not so slight share of piracy. MPAA and friends has turned their eye on Kodi since a while ago, like Sauron on the little hobbitses. Could this be a submarine piece?

What is a submarine piece?

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Just think for a second about the hyperbole involved in even calling it piracy. Piracy implies not only theft, which isn't applicable since there is no deprivation, but the pillage of a vessel on the high seas, and the kidnapping (and possibly enslavement, slaughter, rape, or drowning) of its crew. I think that this (and a whole system of) hyperbole has made it impossible to even talk about it. The MPAA and other sim…

>On-demand (Netflix, Hulu, HBO's online thingy, iPlayer, what have you) has been the most effective way to actually recover rights-holder revenues. Are they though? Only 2 out of 49 million HBO subscribers are HBO Now users. And Americans still pirate HBO content in large numbers. People are canceling $100/month revenue cable plans and getting $10 netflix. That's a large loss of revenue. It's not clear to me that str…

> People are canceling $100/month revenue cable plans and getting $10 Netflix. That's a large loss of revenue.

But we can't pretend that that revenue is still up for grabs. The moment people are aware of the true market value of a copy of one episode of Game of Thrones, the price they're willing to pay for the convenience of watching it anywhere is going to be lower than the cost of cable. The upshot could be that what money they do end up paying is allocated almost directly to what they're actually watching, rather than a thousand channels of garbage they would never be caught dead watching.

The people who are cutting the cable can do one of three things: 1) watch it on-demand, 2) don't watch it, or 3) watch it without licensing it. If you don't have a convenient means of watching it at a price which satisfies consumers, consumers can only really justify doing 2 or 3 (which basically means you'll go out of business). That's what I mean by recovering revenues. If you don't do on-demand and paid downloads right, then you will have no revenue once all the cables are cut.

> It's not clear to me that streaming can actually support the television ecosystem we have now.

It's not clear to me either, though we must keep in mind that a) that revenue is going to dry up no matter what, and b) more direct licensing, and viewership-based licensing will make the entertainment industry more lean, and fewer shows will be basically money laundering schemes.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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post #4

Argh, this must be so frustrating for the Kodi devs...! There really is a very strong case for running a Kodi-box for ones own legit collection, and now it's just mentioned for the (admittedly, probably) not so slight share of piracy. MPAA and friends has turned their eye on Kodi since a while ago, like Sauron on the little hobbitses. Could this be a submarine piece?

Agreed, for the longest time, I'd been using Kodi on HTPC to access my lan content with a decent UX but at the same time wanted Amazon video and Netflix support, not to mention Hulu and the like. Now I use an NVidia Shield TV with Kodi as an app, but still wish it was the other way around.

I also hope that Android TV integration for VLC gets better, there are a few things for SMB/CIFS shares that require you hookup a mouse to get through.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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post #4

Argh, this must be so frustrating for the Kodi devs...! There really is a very strong case for running a Kodi-box for ones own legit collection, and now it's just mentioned for the (admittedly, probably) not so slight share of piracy. MPAA and friends has turned their eye on Kodi since a while ago, like Sauron on the little hobbitses. Could this be a submarine piece?

What is a submarine piece?

http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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"In the UK, Kodi boxes have garnered more attention from authorities, thanks to stingy soccer fanatics driving an early swell of adoption" This is very unfair. I don't own a Kodi box, but in the UK it's against the law to show football games on TV on Saturday between 2:45pm and 5:15pm [1]. So it's not "stingy" football fans, it's fans that have no other way to watch a 3pm kick off without actually going to the game i…

We both know full well that mass football fan adoption of the service isn't just to watch the odd game at that specific time on one day of the week. You're right that it isn't strictly "stingy", but wanting something you've been denied isn't a good reason to take it.

"take" isn't a great word for this context, since it implies something lost by the other party.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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There's a massive gap between the pirate service and the "legitimate" media service. For one, you can just type something in, and get the movie you want. You don't have to navigate between 15 different services, and then find out the film is only available on mail-order DVD, or in other countries. For television, the networks are HORRIBLE about providing their content to cord-cutters. Want to watch the latest episode…

"not a payment issue, it's an access issue."

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"bullshit cash grab"

So in other words, it's a payment issue?

Let's say you watch $100/month for cable, and watch about 3 hours a day. That's over $3/hour. $10/month for 4 hours a TV is cheaper than cable, it's ad-free (I believe) and it's more convenient.

It's expensive compared to Netflix or piracy, but it can certainly be argued it's not a cash grab.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each episode of G O T is 3.00 on youtube. Or you can buy the whole season for $20 HBO GO is $15 per month and you can watch more than one season. This is clearly way too high a price. In theory, google should compete with HBO GO and lower their price.

Google are granting permanent (to all intents and purposes) ownership of the content to view, whereas a month does not cover time to watch all the episodes of a new season, and goes away the second you stop subscribing, and allows the content to be downloaded. Your theory is comparing apples and oranges.

In practice people usually watch an episode once or twice. They lose access if they lose the account, they do not own the episode. Additionally, Google could compete and make a monthly streaming service too, which they don't except for live tv. Why aren't they competing with a streaming service? Because they have Google Play.

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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"In the UK, Kodi boxes have garnered more attention from authorities, thanks to stingy soccer fanatics driving an early swell of adoption" This is very unfair. I don't own a Kodi box, but in the UK it's against the law to show football games on TV on Saturday between 2:45pm and 5:15pm [1]. So it's not "stingy" football fans, it's fans that have no other way to watch a 3pm kick off without actually going to the game i…

That's my quagmire with movies right now.

I have an 3rd Gen Apple TV and the thing is as slow as fuck to stream movies. Also, Apple TV doesn't immediately put out movies for rent, as fast as it does for buying.

I just want to rent the fucking movies. Not buy them. There's no more brick and mortar video rental stores in my area.

They just make it more enticing to pirate the movie since it's probably easier. (Not that I actually do.)

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like that's an agreement, not a law

"The Premier League and Sky maintain that, while grey market viewing of games is not illegal on the part of the viewer, it is illegal for anyone (such as a public house) to make such services openly available. This has in the past lead to heavy fines for public houses in the United Kingdom which have shown 3pm games in their establishments."

that's standard copyright infringement though, rather than an explicit law?

Re: How the Kodi Box Took Over Piracy

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There's a massive gap between the pirate service and the "legitimate" media service. For one, you can just type something in, and get the movie you want. You don't have to navigate between 15 different services, and then find out the film is only available on mail-order DVD, or in other countries. For television, the networks are HORRIBLE about providing their content to cord-cutters. Want to watch the latest episode…

"not a payment issue, it's an access issue." ... "bullshit cash grab" So in other words, it's a payment issue? Let's say you watch $100/month for cable, and watch about 3 hours a day. That's over $3/hour. $10/month for 4 hours a TV is cheaper than cable, it's ad-free (I believe) and it's more convenient. It's expensive compared to Netflix or piracy, but it can certainly be argued it's not a cash grab.

I don't think its fair to boil the two points he made into the same argument. He said too many services and timing issues and one thing about Star Trek. His second point is pretty specific to occurrence, companies taking their shows off 3rd party streaming services and putting them behind their own paywall. That is definitely a cash grab and its become more common, in my opinion.
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