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First field report of iPhone X

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Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by macintux »

waytogo wrote: post #13

Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night. As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry. Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

Positive observations regarding Apple, factually correct or not, seem to attract downvotes. The downvotes on this comment in particular really baffled me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538585

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by chillaxtian »

Slaul wrote: post #39

I am excited for this phone (as a lifelong Android user) because of the large screen in the small form factor. I really appreciate high resolution screens but I'm tired of needing ginormous phones to get it. This device seems to have a great screen in the perfect form factor for me. I'm waiting to see some reviews before purchasing but the iPhone X is probably going to be my next phone. Sidenote, anybody have any tip…

https://www.apple.com/switch/

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by curiousgal »

uptown wrote: post #15
dbbk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do explain why you don't view Face ID as an innovation over existing technology.

It's innovation -- but it's also at the expense of taking away a feature I regularly use. I frequently unlock a phone that's flat on a desk that's at an arm's length. Now, to unlock, I suspect I'll need to lift and point that device towards my face in order to authenticate. Since I haven't tried the iPhone X yet, I'm not sure how liberal they are with the angle required to capture your face, but it seems unlikely thi…

Not to be blunt but why get the phone if it’s going to make your life miserable in a sense?

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by zimpenfish »

dogma1138 wrote: post #40
gehsty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is TouchID superior to FaceID? I just want to understand why you think FaceID is a failure? If FaceID lives up to Apples claims it will have less friction and higher security, so win win, and I'm sure Apple are aware of how popular TouchID is, I don't see them replacing it with a dud.

Because it can be unlocked in your pocket for SOS use cases. Because it can be unlocked under the table or at a very low angle to be used in places such as a restaurant, meeting room, theater etc. Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport. Becuase TouchID actually allows multiple users on the same device if if that is not…

> Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably

Until people actually have the phones in their hands, how can you claim this?

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by bpicolo »

Sidnicious wrote: post #32
finchisko wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm asking same question. How is faceid innovation over touchid? But to answer your question. With touchid you can unlock your phone immediately you bring it out of pocket. I don't see any additional value over touchid. For me it's actually inferior, because I have to grab the phone even for simple tasks, like reading new message. So why should I accept this? Because of larger screen, which is not even bezel to bezel…

It was raining a bit yesterday and that made the fingerprint sensor on my phone basically useless. I forgot how much it was used (unlock, banking apps, payments).

It's definitely a bit flaky with wet fingers and touch button, but the occasional passcode isn't a huge burden.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by hunta2097 »

harshaw wrote: post #31
finchisko wrote: post #8

One thing to Apple PR credit is faceid. For me it's hot needle replacement for failed attempt to integrate touchid into display, but for most people it is innovation.

Just to get this out there, faceID uses a depth "camera" (right??) Previous approaches on Android, etc use image rec from the front camera.

Yes, I think the FaceID (a culmination of their purchase of PrimeSense in 2014) is along the same lines as Google's Project Tango.

Project Tango looks amazing but will it ever get beyond the developer-edition phones and tablets and into our pockets?

As much as I admire them, Google seems to do hardware launches very badly.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by hvidgaard »

uptown wrote: post #15
dbbk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do explain why you don't view Face ID as an innovation over existing technology.

It's innovation -- but it's also at the expense of taking away a feature I regularly use. I frequently unlock a phone that's flat on a desk that's at an arm's length. Now, to unlock, I suspect I'll need to lift and point that device towards my face in order to authenticate. Since I haven't tried the iPhone X yet, I'm not sure how liberal they are with the angle required to capture your face, but it seems unlikely thi…

> It's innovation

Microsoft SP4 have had that for 2 years (unlocking with 3D scanning of the face), so I'd not call it innovation. But regardless, a sensor on the back would be better IMO.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by zimpenfish »

pacala wrote: post #24
yequalsx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear to be assuming that integrating Touch ID into the display was Apple's first choice. If face ID works as promised I can’t see why anyone would prefer Touch ID over Face ID. Even if your assumption is correct Face ID is still innovative.

TouchID requires me to touch the device. I _know_ when I'm identified. FaceID works at a distance, data could easily leak to any number of surveillance programs, corporate or governmental.

> FaceID works at a distance

Do you know what distance? I mean, literally no-one has an iPhone X right now to test this.

> data could easily leak to any number of surveillance programs

Never leaves the Secure Enclave on the phone - same as Touch ID.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by aetherson »

waytogo wrote: post #13

Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night. As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry. Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

I downvoted you because I thought your comment was without content. What does it mean, to own the design? What alternate world would cause you to feel differently about the design?
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