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The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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I find the parallels between Xi and Putin fascinating: both had "modest" origins (or modest spells in the case of Xi) and much publicize them. Both were not really accounted for much, simply managing to rise through the ranks without making a wave, and always scrupulously deferring to authority. Both were nominated to the head of their respective party as a compromise or a strawman. That is until they took power, aft…

I honestly find it suspect that the media is full of "russia! russia! russia!", but nobody ever mentions China, which is in a far greater position for war (1.6 MILLION TROOPS) and accounts for like 28% of all known hack attempts. And speaking of influencing elections... there was this thing in the 90's called... Chinagate. [1] With millions directly found to influence an election. As well as leaked weapons and nuclea…

This is because our intelligence agencies currently view China as a tamed bitch and Russia as a wild threat.

This view may or not be in tune with reality, but that is the view none the less

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#42
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama made Xi look like Winnie the Pooh. Xi must be much happier with Trump, as unhinged he is.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

It’s mostly appearance based, Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh and lanky Obama looks like Tigger, and it’s popularity as a meme soared after China censored them on Weibo.

Examples:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02590/TIGGER_259...

https://i.imgur.com/qouV61I.jpg

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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I find the parallels between Xi and Putin fascinating: both had "modest" origins (or modest spells in the case of Xi) and much publicize them. Both were not really accounted for much, simply managing to rise through the ranks without making a wave, and always scrupulously deferring to authority. Both were nominated to the head of their respective party as a compromise or a strawman. That is until they took power, aft…

I honestly find it suspect that the media is full of "russia! russia! russia!", but nobody ever mentions China, which is in a far greater position for war (1.6 MILLION TROOPS) and accounts for like 28% of all known hack attempts. And speaking of influencing elections... there was this thing in the 90's called... Chinagate. [1] With millions directly found to influence an election. As well as leaked weapons and nuclea…

There was that whole annexation of Crimea thing.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#44
Another article on New Yorker (published in 2015), "Born Red", is quite interesting as well on this subject.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/born-red

According to the article, Xi once said,

  "People who have little experience with power, 
   those who have been far away from it, tend 
   to regard these things as mysterious and 
   novel. But I look past the superficial 
   things: the power and  the flowers and 
   the glory and the applause. I see the 
   detention houses, the fickleness of 
   human relationships. I understand politics 
   on a deeper level." 
I am sympathetic about Xi's early traumatic experience; but I also feel that if he considers that "human relationship" is essentially "fickle", it would be quite scary as well, especially for a decision maker at a country's top level, as he is. I don't know how much trust he has for any one who is not in his family (or even for his family members); but a society with a very low level of mutual trust is a horrible place to live -- not to mention its average interpersonal cooperation cost would be very high, people would even hurt and damage each other's interest just to obtain a bit more sense of security. The harsh censorship there is one such example; as well as that in China more and more people these days are being sent to prison, after some staged trial in a kangaroo court -- simply because they voiced something that the administration does not want to hear.

Humanity itself is a quite complex matter. It's true that sometimes, certain people can be quite cruel, ruthless, or even cold-blooded; but this should not be a universal trait for the overall human beings -- or otherwise, it would have been a definition for the concept of "human" many centuries ago. There is a dynamic motley of benignity and malignity in any individual -- and the concept of "benignity" or "malignity" can be relative in certain cases. It's better for us all, if we construct a system that could inspire more benignity (-- or if possible, maximize ) out of us.

But today, many dealings by the Chinese government seems to simply view its citizens as objects or even tools, with "fickling" worthiness that does not lie within themselves but is based on the external perspective of the ruling party, to perpetuate their ruling.

Perhaps that is why Xi would raise the question to Biden in 2011/2, "why does the U.S. put so much emphasis on human rights." [1]

Note: [1] see https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/born-red for the details about that episode...

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#45
post #13

I find the parallels between Xi and Putin fascinating: both had "modest" origins (or modest spells in the case of Xi) and much publicize them. Both were not really accounted for much, simply managing to rise through the ranks without making a wave, and always scrupulously deferring to authority. Both were nominated to the head of their respective party as a compromise or a strawman. That is until they took power, aft…

And it is suprising that such social mobility is possible in autocratic regimes but not in US.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama made Xi look like Winnie the Pooh. Xi must be much happier with Trump, as unhinged he is.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

I’d reply honestly to you but it would just get me banned.

Like it or not you’ve contributed to a culture that people can’t reply to you honestly in.

Think about how dangerous that is.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#47
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama made Xi look like Winnie the Pooh. Xi must be much happier with Trump, as unhinged he is.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

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Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#48
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

I’d reply honestly to you but it would just get me banned. Like it or not you’ve contributed to a culture that people can’t reply to you honestly in. Think about how dangerous that is.

What are you talking about?

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#49
post #42
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

It’s mostly appearance based, Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh and lanky Obama looks like Tigger, and it’s popularity as a meme soared after China censored them on Weibo. Examples: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02590/TIGGER_259... https://i.imgur.com/qouV61I.jpg

I found that greatly amusing, though I'm not sure that the comment was just concerning physical traits. After all, who doesn't like honey?

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

#50
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright, I have to ask. How did he make him look like Pooh? When I think of Pooh, I think calm to the point of naive, not very smart but sometimes philosophical, friends with all, and very fond of honey. I'm well and truly confused. This is not entirely unusual.

I’d reply honestly to you but it would just get me banned. Like it or not you’ve contributed to a culture that people can’t reply to you honestly in. Think about how dangerous that is.

What have I contributed?

I am now more confused than I was originally.

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