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Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #22

> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

I can imagine a lot of ways this could be done ethically. Maybe they tried to keep the bot activity to a minimum. Maybe they kept a lookout for non-German (and especially Russian) accounts trying to buy political ads. Either way, I think it ought to be pretty clear that the free market, hands off approach doesn't work.

> Maybe they kept a lookout for non-German (and especially Russian) accounts trying to buy political ads

This is HEAVY intervention. Specially if it is more specifically to "russian".

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a perfect example of the nirvana fallacy. Advertising on Facebook is a specific, paid mechanism for delivering messages to an identified target audience segment, that is completely distinct from their social content sharing features. Heck, you might not remember it, but there was a time when there was no advertising on Facebook at all . Regulating that specific mechanism is well within the purview of the FEC,…

Well, that would _slow down_ fake news a bit. That's all.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Do I need to mention the nirvana fallacy again? ;)

Maybe I'll phrase it differently: don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #22

> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

This is one of the best articles I've read recently.

Another recent article that I can't stop thinking about also covered the malign naïveté of Facebook -- "Zuckerberg's Preposterous Defense of Facebook" by Zeynep Tufecki [0].

The entire thing is so well reasoned it's hard to choose just one snip, but here's one:

For those of us who are tolerant of a wide range of ideas and arguments, but would still like deception and misinformation to not have such an easy foothold in society, Mr. Zuckerberg’s comments do not inspire hope...

Since Facebook has no effective competition, we can look forward only to being lectured on being more tolerant of "ideas" we don’t like, and to smug talk of the false equivalency of "both sides."

By the way, thank you for "supererogatory", I didn't know there was a word for "good but not morally required to be done".

[0] http://archive.is/PGt1E

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Quote of the year: > But if Facebook is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere company, surely his trip is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere presidential run. Maybe he’s doing research and development, reverse-­engineering social bonds to understand how Facebook might better facilitate them. Maybe Facebook is a church and Zuckerberg is offering his benedictions. Maybe Facebook is a state within a state and Zucke…

Maybe someone is behind Zuckerberg? I don't find him too smart, really.

Never met the Gentlemen. But it still makes me wonder how FB could beat Friendster and MySpace.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Quote of the year: > But if Facebook is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere company, surely his trip is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere presidential run. Maybe he’s doing research and development, reverse-­engineering social bonds to understand how Facebook might better facilitate them. Maybe Facebook is a church and Zuckerberg is offering his benedictions. Maybe Facebook is a state within a state and Zucke…

Maybe someone is behind Zuckerberg? I don't find him too smart, really.

He's not the brightest, but he sure is savvy.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #43
post #22

> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

This is one of the best articles I've read recently. Another recent article that I can't stop thinking about also covered the malign naïveté of Facebook -- "Zuckerberg's Preposterous Defense of Facebook" by Zeynep Tufecki [0]. The entire thing is so well reasoned it's hard to choose just one snip, but here's one: For those of us who are tolerant of a wide range of ideas and arguments, but would still like deception a…

There was an episode of Sam Harris' Waking Up podcast with Zeynep, good introduction to her thinking:

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/persuasion-and-contro...

(BTW, regarding "supererogatory" = "good even beyond what's required" - awesome word, isn't it, and I've been looking for an opportunity to drop it into a sentence :-)

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a lot of ways this could be done ethically. Maybe they tried to keep the bot activity to a minimum. Maybe they kept a lookout for non-German (and especially Russian) accounts trying to buy political ads. Either way, I think it ought to be pretty clear that the free market, hands off approach doesn't work.

> Maybe they kept a lookout for non-German (and especially Russian) accounts trying to buy political ads This is HEAVY intervention. Specially if it is more specifically to "russian".

Good?

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #30

I can see a number of potential reasons why Zuck wouldn't want to be US president. Firstly, it seems to me that it could potentially poison his brand overseas. Everyone knows that Facebook can potentially exert a lot of influence in very subtle ways. How many countries would want most of their citizens under the potential influence of a company owned by the president of a potentially hostile country? It could cause F…

I disagree that the head of an online advertising company has more power than the POTUS.

The POTUS has 300 million users. Facebook has 2 billion.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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post #43
post #22

> “We have been working to ensure the integrity of the German elections this weekend,” Zuckerberg writes. Excuse me, what? As an advertising company, you don't ensure the integrity of a sovereign nation's election. You can at most abstain from unduly interfering with it (and of course you should, it's not particularly laudable or supererogatory).

This is one of the best articles I've read recently. Another recent article that I can't stop thinking about also covered the malign naïveté of Facebook -- "Zuckerberg's Preposterous Defense of Facebook" by Zeynep Tufecki [0]. The entire thing is so well reasoned it's hard to choose just one snip, but here's one: For those of us who are tolerant of a wide range of ideas and arguments, but would still like deception a…

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