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But since its still on a permanent immutable blockchain, couldn't someone still trace Bitcoin/Eth transactions with perfect accuracy?
No. If wallets A and B send 1ETH each to Z, and then Z sends 1ETH to X and 1ETH to Y, you already can't tell whose money is where.
68% of total Ethereum transaction value controlled by one system
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#42Please see Vitalik Buterin response to this before reading.
https://medium.com/@VitalikButerin/i-think-this-article-real...
Re: 68% of total Ethereum transaction value controlled by one system
#43This mixing ramped up around the same time as the price did. Etherium was around $8 at the beginning of 2017, where it had been for years. By midyear it was in the $300-$400 range. Is this mixing somehow involved with a scheme to pump the price?
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#44Is the story that 68% of the traffic is naked laundering or that 68% of the traffic is people buying into ICO that are not already enfranchised in ethereum?
It's not laundering, it's spoofing by some of the earliest Ethereum holders who are trading with themselves on the exchanges to create the appearance of volume and liquidity to drive up the value of their coins.
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#45Why is the link at the top of this article ('cyber•Fund') to https://cyber.fund/system/Paragon , a page for 'Paragon', a very shifty high-budget ICO? Given the other things Paragon has paid big bucks for (anything you can imagine, from paying Youtubers 5 figures per video to get their subscribers to 'invest' in them to paying for mass reddit vote manipulation to buying very expensive ads and sponsorship programs to l…
Re: 68% of total Ethereum transaction value controlled by one system
#46This mixing ramped up around the same time as the price did. Etherium was around $8 at the beginning of 2017, where it had been for years. By midyear it was in the $300-$400 range. Is this mixing somehow involved with a scheme to pump the price?
Doesn't this screw up people's taxes, making them liable for realised capital gains, and also making them completely screwed if the value of the currency goes back down again
So, if you buy a stock at $10 and it goes up to $100, your CGT liability is a certain percentage of $90 ($100 - $10) upon liquidation.
If you buy a stock at $100 and it goes down to $10, you end up with a $90 (generally carry forward, some jurisdictions allow carry backwards) loss that can be used to offset other gains.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't this screw up people's taxes, making them liable for realised capital gains, and also making them completely screwed if the value of the currency goes back down again
You are only liable for CGT if you sell an asset (= realised gain). So, if you buy a stock at $10 and it goes up to $100, your CGT liability is a certain percentage of $90 ($100 - $10) upon liquidation. If you buy a stock at $100 and it goes down to $10, you end up with a $90 (generally carry forward, some jurisdictions allow carry backwards) loss that can be used to offset other gains.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are only liable for CGT if you sell an asset (= realised gain). So, if you buy a stock at $10 and it goes up to $100, your CGT liability is a certain percentage of $90 ($100 - $10) upon liquidation. If you buy a stock at $100 and it goes down to $10, you end up with a $90 (generally carry forward, some jurisdictions allow carry backwards) loss that can be used to offset other gains.
yes - but isn't that what's essentially happening here when you run your coin thru a mixer and mix it with other coin (which must have the same value) - you sell your coin and get back a new one with today's value - voila a taxable event ....
The only person you would ever have that conversation with would be the IRS (or your local tax authority outside of the US), and they are bound by confidentially.
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#49Why is the link at the top of this article ('cyber•Fund') to https://cyber.fund/system/Paragon , a page for 'Paragon', a very shifty high-budget ICO? Given the other things Paragon has paid big bucks for (anything you can imagine, from paying Youtubers 5 figures per video to get their subscribers to 'invest' in them to paying for mass reddit vote manipulation to buying very expensive ads and sponsorship programs to l…
I figured I'd check and just let you be, figuring I'd not get involved.
So, I went to Google and entered, "Paragon ICO complaints Reddit."
In two minutes, probably less, I'd confirmed that they were as bad as you claim. I spent about a half hour and read a bunch. If anything, you didn't even mention some of the biggest issues.
The whole thing is shady as hell. They mysteriously went from two to five 'programmers' retroactively. Not only will they not name the programmers, they won't show any of their previous work, such as a GitHub account. The owner probably isn't the owner, but is her husband and he has a storied past that makes me question his ethics.
And it goes on and on. It's like the Equifax of crytocurrency, with regards to a continued stream of negative results. One of the complaints is that they are just in it for the money. Well, yeah... I can see that. I can even rationalize that. But, instead of sticking with their agreed pre-sale amount, they sold like five times as many coins.
How the heck is this even legal? I bet US currency was involved and it has been shown before that that's all it takes for the US Feds to get involved and go stomping across borders.
Seriously, how is it legal?
You didn't even exaggerate! They appear worse than your claim!
As for how they ended up on that site and as the top-most link, I find it hard to give the benefit of doubt. It took me one single search to confirm what you said. I only spent the additional time because I like a good train wreck.
I will give them some credit, their balls must need a cart to carry them around. This kind of money attracts strong enemies, regardless of the legality. There is no way in hell that this is legal.
Re: 68% of total Ethereum transaction value controlled by one system
#50Why is the link at the top of this article ('cyber•Fund') to https://cyber.fund/system/Paragon , a page for 'Paragon', a very shifty high-budget ICO? Given the other things Paragon has paid big bucks for (anything you can imagine, from paying Youtubers 5 figures per video to get their subscribers to 'invest' in them to paying for mass reddit vote manipulation to buying very expensive ads and sponsorship programs to l…
At first, I thought you might be hyperbolic or had fallen for some sort of propaganda (for lack of a better term). I don't know much about ICOs and I know/knew less about Paragon. I figured I'd check and just let you be, figuring I'd not get involved. So, I went to Google and entered, "Paragon ICO complaints Reddit." In two minutes, probably less, I'd confirmed that they were as bad as you claim. I spent about a half…
As far as legality goes, it's difficulty to say. I think that a project like this is likely paying lawyers good money to make sure they stay 'in the green', but lawyers can only do so much to protect you when you do the things that they're doing. We all know that projects like Paragon and many others are the reasons why regulations will come even harder in these areas.
As for to what extent the law needs to protect investors from making terrible investments, I'm not sure, the game changes a lot when companies start completely lying to their investors, and that does seem to me (as a non-lawyer) like one of the many good places where lines can be drawn.