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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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I get the impression that Apple is not run by a bunch of MBAs, unlike a lot of the big companies around the world.

According to their bios ( http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ ), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. More anecdotally, I know at least three people with MBAs working in middle management there. Apple does a good job of maintaining a counterculture image while remaining a pretty average place to work. Of course, you could make the case that Apple is run by one person, and he did…

It's way below an average place to work: these past years, Apple hasn't made it in the top 100 places to work a single time. Not a single time. In the Top 100.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/fu...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/fu...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/fu...

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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It does seem that concessions were made. For example, the Facetime app is currently wifi-only. Also, I believe movie rental is wifi-only. Those are understandable restrictions for now, but this article rings a bit hollow in light of them -- It would seem that AT&T won a few of those battles.

Or more likely, the probability of a negative user experience is too high on AT&T's network. To use a non-#attfail example: The little microwave ISP I use in a rural area gives me 10mbps, but they don't have enough backhaul to support that kind of bit rate in a sustained manner. If I start to watch a YouTube video at a better-than-awful bit encoding the first 10 seconds or so are great, then the routers notice my con…

Any chance you're in Laramie, WY?

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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I don't normally like Apple, but I like their attitude here. Why should they wear certain clothes to a meeting with AT&T? Who cares what AT&T thinks of Apple!? If AT&T passes on Apple, Verizon or Sprint or T-Mobile would pick them up in a heartbeat. The only reason AT&T is still in business is because of Apple. Fuck wearing a suit!

I'm shocked to hear that AT&T is not showering Apple's execs with expensive champagne and corporate jets every chance they get!

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or more likely, the probability of a negative user experience is too high on AT&T's network. To use a non-#attfail example: The little microwave ISP I use in a rural area gives me 10mbps, but they don't have enough backhaul to support that kind of bit rate in a sustained manner. If I start to watch a YouTube video at a better-than-awful bit encoding the first 10 seconds or so are great, then the routers notice my con…

FTA, implied to be more of less AT&T's argument: "It didn’t make sense to build phones and offer features that carriers couldn’t support." Message: AT&T expects to solve user experience problems by removing or restricting features, and this is a bad thing. Your post: "[T]he probability of a negative user experience is too high on AT&T's network ... Apple knows better than to let Facetime get a [bad] reputation[.]" Me…

Message: AT&T expects to solve user experience problems by removing or restricting features, and this is a bad thing.

This is of course in contrast to Apple's usual product design approach, which is to solve user experience problems by removing or restricting features?

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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I don't normally like Apple, but I like their attitude here. Why should they wear certain clothes to a meeting with AT&T? Who cares what AT&T thinks of Apple!? If AT&T passes on Apple, Verizon or Sprint or T-Mobile would pick them up in a heartbeat. The only reason AT&T is still in business is because of Apple. Fuck wearing a suit! I'm shocked to hear that AT&T is not showering Apple's execs with expensive champagne…

AT&T is gladly functioning as a punching bag for Apple. The phone-contract tie-in has been an enormous revenue driver for AT&T.

The biggest shakeup in the wireless industry will happen when Apple moves forward and releases devices that work on other wireless carriers. Example: if a Verizon Iphone actually hits the market, the shift will be enormous. I suggest it would be a tectonic shift in the wireless industry's provider business.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

#48

I get the impression that Apple is not run by a bunch of MBAs, unlike a lot of the big companies around the world.

According to their bios ( http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ ), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. More anecdotally, I know at least three people with MBAs working in middle management there. Apple does a good job of maintaining a counterculture image while remaining a pretty average place to work. Of course, you could make the case that Apple is run by one person, and he did…

According to their bios (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD.

So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure...

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

#49

I get the impression that Apple is not run by a bunch of MBAs, unlike a lot of the big companies around the world.

According to their bios ( http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ ), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. More anecdotally, I know at least three people with MBAs working in middle management there. Apple does a good job of maintaining a counterculture image while remaining a pretty average place to work. Of course, you could make the case that Apple is run by one person, and he did…

Except that's not true. Phil Schiller (Senior Vice President, Worldwide Product Marketing) has no MBA.

So that's 7 out of 12 of the top execs who have no MBA or JD.

(Also, most of my friends in management at Apple don't have MBAs. If they do get master's degrees, it's usually for the pay grade bump it gives. More anecdotally, I know at least 50 people in middle management at Apple without MBAs.)

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to their bios ( http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ ), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. More anecdotally, I know at least three people with MBAs working in middle management there. Apple does a good job of maintaining a counterculture image while remaining a pretty average place to work. Of course, you could make the case that Apple is run by one person, and he did…

It's way below an average place to work: these past years, Apple hasn't made it in the top 100 places to work a single time. Not a single time. In the Top 100. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/fu...

Those are the "top 100" of companies that were willing to submit detailed statistics to Fortune. It's by no means an impartial or complete sample.

Nobody at Apple thinks it's worth the bother and loss of privacy. And I guarantee Apple isn't the only company that thinks that way.

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