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Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#41

Persistence might be key? Some people may be addicted to gambling with lottery tickets, or may just buy more than others in the same area. I remember once early in my IT career, I was doing work for the local government agency that was responsible for issuing all the 'scratch the ticket and find 3 matching symbols' lottery games in our state. They used to sell the tickets at the front counter of the agency office as…

As a parent you would have had to have been insane to leave your kids to live with MJ, not to sure I'd call it lucky.

  This information got leaked to the press,
  and Jackson found out about it, and ended
  up inviting this family to Neverland in 
  the US where 2 of the kids ended up staying for years.
  You that old saying - you make your own luck.
  I think this particular family lived it.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#42
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mundane explanations doesn't answer anything. It's just pure speculation. They didn't eben talk to the guy who had the most frequent wins. Why wouldn't psychics get caught?

Well, let's assume for a second that psychics exist and know that they are psychic. The second assumption is kind of important as if they just act on impulse without knowing they're psychic we can't really differentiate that from all the other chance winnings on a hunch. For the Powerball, two ways to play: pick your own numbers or randomly generate them. Would a winning psychic choose one over the other more often?…

Good points, but continuing with the thought experiment, I think you fail to consider what might be a reality for your psychics. What if the psychics don't have perfect information, nor perfect control, but have, perhaps varying on the psychic in question, some amount of power that lets them see or control future numbers with some amount of probability, but not certainty?

In that case, they might win more often, but not every time. Given that so many things in nature follow a power curve or a bell curve, I think your presumed psychic abilities, we can assume, follow the same curves, and if most of your psychics then have "some ability" to predict these numbers, but not a certainty, then I think they are more likely to be frequent smaller winners.

For example, if you have an ability that let's you see a 4/8 of the future numbers, with 33% certainty, then one time out of three, you will win 4/8 of the numbers, and sometimes more than 4/8 if you're lucky.

TL;DR -- your presumed psychic abilities probably exist on a spectrum ( bell / power curve ) and likely most of your psychics do not have "perfect" future information.

PS - I have a feeling that psychics would prefer to play the stock market, than lottery. I just sense their expected payoff is higher in that case, probably because there are a lot more factors that affect a stock price, so even partial information across a lot of these seems to provide a better advantage, than partial information on 1 single list of numbers.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#44

Persistence might be key? Some people may be addicted to gambling with lottery tickets, or may just buy more than others in the same area. I remember once early in my IT career, I was doing work for the local government agency that was responsible for issuing all the 'scratch the ticket and find 3 matching symbols' lottery games in our state. They used to sell the tickets at the front counter of the agency office as…

As a parent you would have had to have been insane to leave your kids to live with MJ, not to sure I'd call it lucky. This information got leaked to the press, and Jackson found out about it, and ended up inviting this family to Neverland in the US where 2 of the kids ended up staying for years. You that old saying - you make your own luck. I think this particular family lived it.

Yeah, that was a whole other story. Initially, the family jumped to MJ's defence in the local press, then when the lawsuits started happening, they filed one too, saying that the son had been interfered with (!) - it was all really surreal and odd. Lost touch completely with that family now - no idea what they are up to, but I hope they lost that infatuation with winning prizes and accolades and are happily settled somewhere...

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#45
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Years ago I had a friend who's father made a living smuggling cigarettes (and probably other stuff) from Northern Africa to Gibraltar. He laundered his income by buying winning lottery tickets.

Where would one find sellers of winning lottery tickets? You must either be a store clerk or wait outside for people to cash them in?

Probably someone working on the place where you go to get the money.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#46

I don't see that anyone has yet referenced this article. https://www.wired.com/2011/01/ff_lottery/all/1 It explains how to win (an old lotto), and more importantly why there is a way to win.

Oh wow, I did not know that:

>The North American lottery system is a $70 billion-a-year business, an industry bigger than movie tickets, music, and porn combined.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#47
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post #26

There is a bigger issue here: Why wasn't such an analysis done 50 years ago? Where is the incentive for people to uncover fraud? All governments should have a rule that says: if you uncover fraud or waste in a government department you get 5% of the money that taxpayers save.

Your proposed rule contains a great fraud opportunity: pay someone in government to "accidentally" waste money and then "uncover" it to cash out 5% of the waste.

That's a good point - to be honest I hadn't considered that. However, government officials already have the opportunity to 'accidentally' waste money by paying more than necessary for goods or services, then getting a kickback from the supplier. Most likely the kickback would be more than 5%.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#48

Has anyone considered some of these people might be psychic? Professor Daryl Bem's published study "Feeling the Future" comes to mind.

The parent poster is "serious" in the sense that I bet literally every person reading this had the idea of psychics briefly cross their mind as they read it.

The problem is that psychics don't exist and the people who believe in them are unscientific. So it is the same as asking "Could God have favored these winners? Could it be divine providence"?

That has no place in the article.

If there were even half a sentence in the article stating something like:

    Are they psychics
    ------------------
    
    As a fanciful aside we analyzed whether the winners involved could be psychics.
    The effect is not strong enough for that: a psychic could win 3 or 4 lotteries in a
    row, for example.  A 1 in 10 million * 1 in 300 million is still much weaker than
    what a psychic could produce.  The improbability is not strong enough to show psychc
    ability.

    Less fancifully, prediction of the results through some other means outside of psychic
    ability (such as by predicting the random number generator used), would show the same
    effect, also not present.
The problem is that this validates "psychic ability" (which does not exist), in much the same way as a paragraph about God does.

Imagine if the article had written:

   Is it Allah's will?
   -------------------

   We asked our statistician whether the statistics show this may simply be the will of
   Allah.  Our statistician stopped replying to our mail at that point, so that this
   analysis is inconclusive.

The reason the statistician would stop replying to mail at that point is that nobody wants to mix statistics with religious beliefs. It just completely derails the conversation.

I don't think that this HN thread will end up completely derailing anything, but just for your information, psychics don't exist, nobody in the world is psychic to any extent.

(Some people are very good at reading information that is very subtle, however, and making inferences. Obviously this does not translate to predicting lottery numbers.)

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#49
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who are genuine winners, for example? You pay them a premium for the ticket.

Yeah? Where would one find genuine winners? It's not like there's an open market for this, and since winners are random people they are unlikely to be aware of black markets. Paying them a premium is obvious.

I'm not too sure about people who are winning scratchies or state lotteries, but there is a fairly well-regulated black market among high-stakes gamblers for losing horse-racing (etc.) tickets. You use them to lay off other winnings so that you don't pay tax. I imagine people looking to wash money also have a market for winning tickets.

It's kind of perverse that Americans pay taxes on gambling AT ALL. The rake is already being taxed, so why tax the winners? It's criminal.

Re: Improbably Frequent Lottery Winners

#50
post #18

it's possible, some people have gotten struck by lighting over a dozen times, which in theory is as likely as winning the Powerball twice. (1 in 12,000 likelyhood of being struck over your lifetime)

Lightning is not 100% random as many people don't go out in storms which changes the odds.
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