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Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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What about twins? Does touch ID even work with twins?

This was explicitly brought up by the presenter (though through the premise of an "evil twin" and a photo of Spock from Mirror, Mirror) and they said you should consider a password.

that sounds like a lot of inconvenience

Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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Sunglasses and hats too!

No, Apple has explicitly stated that hair style, glasses, hats, etc have no impact on the face detection.

so does it mean that to unlock the phone I just have to knock you out and put some sunglasses on you?

Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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A non-conclusive list of places where this will be an issue: China, Japan, S.E.A.: Surgical masks against smog, or to avoid spreading germs. Northern Europe, Canada, Northern US: Winter clothing that covers the face to avoid the cold temperatures Middle East: Religious clothing for women hiding their faces. Anywhere with hot summers: Sunglasses covering the entire eyes, making it impossible to see if you’re looking a…

> China, Japan, S.E.A.: Surgical masks against smog, or to avoid spreading germs. Northern Europe, Canada, Northern US: Winter clothing that covers the face to avoid the cold temperatures

I am thinking that there will be the ability to program recognition with clothing that you own (color, texture) if you want to accept the risk. For most people I don't think they will be worried about something that has some of the same facial features stealing their phone. After all not everything will be blocked. And for that matter you can't do touch ID with gloves on, right?

> Middle East: Religious clothing for women hiding their faces.

Nothing to prevent a third party from offering a device which also allows touch id or simply using the alternate unlock. After all I don't think the amount of women hiding their faces in middle east countries means that the rest of us can't have this feature. How much business will they lose? In the end this is a business decision not a social one.

> Sunglasses covering the entire eyes, making it impossible to see if you’re looking at the screen (which is a requirement for FaceID unlock).

Once again will probably be able to allow use of sunglasses that you own with facial features that you have. Sure chance that someone could spoof you but for most of us not really a big threat. And someone needs the phone to do so and needs to know what you have programmed in as far as your clothing.

Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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They say that Face ID falsely recognizes 1 in 1,000,000 people (1 in 50,000 for Touch ID), but it's a lot easier to find the people who look like a given target to unlock their phone. Could be an issue if a mutual friend knows someone who looks enough like you to unlock your phone.

Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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Great way to integrate the government backdoor without actually publicly saying it. Catch the perp, get full access to the device. -Apple

I guess that's why the added the 5 press power button which disables the Touch/Face ID features

Which is great if you're able to do that before someone snatches your phone and aims the camera at your face to unlock it.

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A non-conclusive list of places where this will be an issue: China, Japan, S.E.A.: Surgical masks against smog, or to avoid spreading germs. Northern Europe, Canada, Northern US: Winter clothing that covers the face to avoid the cold temperatures Middle East: Religious clothing for women hiding their faces. Anywhere with hot summers: Sunglasses covering the entire eyes, making it impossible to see if you’re looking a…

> Anywhere with hot summers: Sunglasses covering the entire eyes, making it impossible to see if you’re looking at the screen (which is a requirement for FaceID unlock). I wonder if the IR sensor can actually see through the sunglasses?

Might vary with the make of the sunglasses, but I took an IR photo of a colleague wearing sunglasses, and on the photo the glasses were completely transparent. So the FaceID has a good chance to work with sunglasses.

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This has not been well thought out for part of the world. https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-08-13/expand-job-opportunit...

What about twins? Does touch ID even work with twins?

I am a twin and me and my brother managed to fool windows hello. I plan on going to an Apple Store with my brother to see if FaceID can't be fooled.

Re: Face ID is replacing Touch ID on the new iPhone X

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They say that Face ID falsely recognizes 1 in 1,000,000 people (1 in 50,000 for Touch ID), but it's a lot easier to find the people who look like a given target to unlock their phone. Could be an issue if a mutual friend knows someone who looks enough like you to unlock your phone.

Just because someone "looks like" your target to you doesn't mean they're similar enough to fool whatever algorithms the iPhone is using.
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