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Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by delphinius81 »

ndrr wrote: post #18
scandox wrote: post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Spoiled and overpriced sounds like you don't value them. Is this a reaction to their attitude in the interview or does it start at the resume or email communications?

It starts early at the resume/email communications. I expect to see in communications that a candidate can present themselves in a mature, professional manner. That's something you tend to learn with experience, though it also feels like common sense.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by MikeTheGreat »

Reading this, it seems like one of (at least) two things might be true:

1) The article is written for other members of the author's group, but wasn't really meant for broad consumption. Yes, it's online, in public, etc, but either the author wasn't thinking about that and/or ignored it. I say this because it feels like something one would say when complaining to friends at a pub after hours. It's got this "we've all been here, don't you just hate it?" sorta vibe to it.

2) The article is written to be click-bait/incendiary on purpose. A while back (a year or two?) someone else wrote something similar and it blew up big. More than anything it gave people something to shake their fist at. It gave older people an excuse to look down on "the kids today", younger folk could shake their fist at the poor treatment they receive from older people. I wonder if this author is also trying to go viral in a similar sort of way. I feel like it takes a particular skill to write these sorts of things - it's gotta be believable that a 22 year old would write this, but also push enough of the older generation's buttons that it'll inflame them, too.

3) Obviously, there's other possibilities that I hadn't thought of that might be true :)

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by delphinius81 »

kentrado wrote: post #17
a13n wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are teenage boys the height of professionalism? I think the gender comment is unnecessary, irrelevant, and harmful.

Oh, come off it already. It is clear what he meant, you are just trying really hard to be offended by something.

Yes it was clear the poster was being derogatory to girls. It's also clear you are trying to normalize and justify such behavior. Both are unnecessary.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by scandox »

j_s wrote: post #39
scandox wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fair comment and I don't think it ought to be downvoted. It should have been "teenager" - that's not a criticism of the original commenter - but I think something worth correcting.

While we're encouraging edits within HN's 1 hour edit window, in your shoes I'd have de-escalated the last word: > something worth [improving].

fair enough

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by bogomipz »

scandox wrote: post #36
bogomipz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a recruiter then? What specifically is your role in the hiring process? Two of the points were detailing completely unprofessional and all too common practices from recruiters and - ghosting and not keeping appointments(flaking.) I would be curious to hear how a candidate expressing frustration at those disrespectful practices might cause you to think that they are "spoiled", "overpaid" or "lack humility."

No. I am the person who hires IT people at my organisation. Edit: I am also a programmer

How is that not a recruiter then?

Can you answer the other part of my question?

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by rovek »

scandox wrote: post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

Speaking as an engineer regularly hiring engineers, it depends on the hiring company.

Assuming that one is interviewing for a benevolent and altruistic employer - who values and rewards positive, talented employees - one could afford to be accommodating during the hiring process.

Given those don't exist I would expect tech folk and designers to rinse employers for every penny as that is the treatment they will get when the table turns again.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by ktRolster »

scandox wrote: post #38
ndrr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoiled and overpriced sounds like you don't value them. Is this a reaction to their attitude in the interview or does it start at the resume or email communications?

Face to face. I'm talking about people who don't feel the need to in anyway justify why they're there. The discussion is basically a critical assessment of us combined with a mortal combat approach to salary discussions.

Let's be honest: the corporations that hire us will drop us as soon as it becomes convenient to the bottom line, and as likely as not without a severance package.

You owe it to yourself to get the best possible compensation package, because no one else will do it for you.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by colorint »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4
scandox wrote: post #3

I value talented people but sometimes during the hiring process I find myself thinking: 1. You're spoiled 2. You're overpriced 3. Your lack of humility is going to burn us one day Technical folk and designers hold the whip hand right now, but that's no reason to abuse it.

From the other side of the table, employers usually hold all the cards. I don't care about your mission, your values, just show me the money. This is a transaction, not an interview for me to be a part of your family. I will be polite, but if you offer a dollar less in total compensation than the other person, I will accept the other offer and thank you for your time. Have to make hay while the sun is shining, and th…

This is all a funny (i.e., sad) thing to have happened: the usual suspects have created a mythology that labor is a "marketplace" that optimizes according to naturalistic laws of supply and demand, which turns into a canard to attack employees. Now that employers are getting what they wish for (from high-end or niche employees, the only ones with any individual power), they really wish it was only an impersonal marketplace for them.

I guess the bigger point is that, when an abstraction gets old and popular enough, it becomes first-class and its specifics get obscured by time. So employment isn't a marketplace anymore, because won't somebody think of the employers! but we just keep the aspects of employees being cogs in the business and call it "culture." Which, of course, the dissenting replies have shown in spades: ask not what your company can do for you, ask what you can do for your company!

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by delphinius81 »

Reading this, all I could think was "Welcome to job searching." Companies that pull some of these things are places you don't want to work for. Contact emails you and then ignores your replies without reason? Run away. Have a meeting scheduled and they don't show? Run away. Get interviewed but then get told you don't have enough experience? Run away.

Finding a job isn't just about getting paid the most money. You need to be in a job where you value the work and the people you work with. Because if I'm the one hiring for the role, if I detect that your only interest is in getting paid, I'm going to run away.

Re: Thanks, but I have accepted another offer

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Post by jogjayr »

fastbeef wrote: post #29

None of the points he makes are invalid per se, but the language and tone of the piece makes him come across as whiny at best, spoiled and entitled at worst.

What was wrong with the language and tone? Apart from it being informal and casual?

It's Medium, not an industry whitepaper. There's no expectation of Serious Business Writing™ here.

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