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A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet

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Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet

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The tech world is going to have to decide pretty quickly what it wants to be: 1. A set of dumb pipes and a public square for information. Or 2. A curated community built for advertising where things that offend people are censored. Right now tech has chosen option 2, but in answer to any regulation it doesn't like, it pretends it has chosen option 1 and loudly screams "free speech". Tech is trying to have its cake an…

You can have both, and we largely already do. Interconnects and ISPs are largely dumb pipes. Individual websites can choose whether they're curated or shitshows. Sites like 4chan do exist, as well as other "wild wests" of freedom. Sites like facebook where the actual user curates their own information (via following or not certain people) do exist and seem to do particularly well. And on the final side, personal site…

> The parts between a user and a given webpage -- the isp, interconnects, bgp routing, dns, and hosting/vps-providers/clouds -- have largely chosen to be dumb pipes offering services to anyone who pays.

I say we have not seen this recently. DNS and hosting providers are deciding that some websites are too offensive for them to host. DDOS protection providers, for example Cloudflare also the same. Search engines also now downgrade content that they view as extremist. Large social networks will censor user produced content that they find offensive. All these examples could be considered as modern infrastructure between the user and content generated by another user.

With the ongoing centralization of the internet, what is considered as infrastructure is going to have be more than just ISP's and Interconnects. The internet is no longer spread out over a billion websites. Probably 95% of content that people access is probably a few dozen sites at most, and the long tail of other sites is found through a search engine like Google. In addition, the ability to monetize a site is controlled by just a few companies. This has profound implications for the social principle of free speech.

True, these companies are private companies and thus are not bound to the laws of free speech as they are not a government entity. They are fully within their rights to determine who they provide service to. However, in decrying this regulation, they are appealing not to the law, but to the social principle of free speech. If they plan to appeal to the social principle of free speech in decrying certain regulations, they should be adhering to the social principle of free speech, or the public is going to get cynical fast.

Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet

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post #11

Without links to the actual proposal this sounds like a propaganda piece.

Are you only discovering now that mozilla is into propaganda ?

More or less yea. I've been recently discovering that a lot of entities I had perviously thought of as trust-worthy are usually spreading propaganda and misinformation under the guise of "spreading awareness".

This particular blog fits into that pattern, which immediately triggered my skepticism.

Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet

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Why is this a bad thing?

I'm as happy as anyone to screw over Facebook, but this is actually really bad. I run a forum with ~1000 users. It costs us ~$60 a month and the corporate infrastructure is me and one other guy. If we were vulnerable to actually being sued for an infringement on a user's part, we would probably just have to shut down; neither of us is up for running a legal battle. Luckily we're US, not EU, but presumably there are s…

I wonder what happens if you have some EU citizens posting copyrighted content on your site. I didn't check if they're going to make it a felony, but in that case are they going to ask for your extradition? If not, are they going to ask for damages? With no protection from the actions of our users it's a mess.

Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you only discovering now that mozilla is into propaganda ?

More or less yea. I've been recently discovering that a lot of entities I had perviously thought of as trust-worthy are usually spreading propaganda and misinformation under the guise of "spreading awareness". This particular blog fits into that pattern, which immediately triggered my skepticism.

Mozilla is rather big, isn't it? I wonder if this isn't a result of Mozilla being the kind of company that attracts the type of "activist" programmer to write this kind of stuff, and also having the work environment where you can get fanatic subcultures that just assert their beliefs.

This is not a dig at Mozilla specifically, this is a problem for any big company or organisation really.

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