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Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by twic »

bitL wrote: post #3

Right next to museums. A very convenient find! :)

A similarly convenient find in London was that the Roman amphitheatre was right underneath the City of London's main museum [1], the Guildhall gallery. Because the museum is on one side of Guildhall Yard, the historic seat of the City's government. Which is located where it is because that is where the Saxon guildhall was. Which was there because it was a nice open space amongst the rubble of the old citadel when the Saxons recolonised London. Which it was because it was the old Roman amphitheatre.

[1] In a sense.

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by twic »

jpatokal wrote: post #4

Relevant random factoid: the Baltic Sea is almost completely enclosed by land and consequently unusually brackish (low in salt), which means a number of sea creatures common in saltier seas, most notably the shipworm, can't live there. Add in the fact that the water is really cold most of the year, and you get a large number of unusually well-preserved wooden wrecks, most famously the Vasa , that would have long go h…

> would have long go have been eaten away in any other ocean

Ahem!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/black-sea-shipwre...

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by beloch »

huhtenberg wrote: post #38
johansch wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:) On a serious note, every other kind of shrimp I have tasted besides "northern prawn" (Pandalus Borealis) is just meh in comparison. To clarify: the rest of the culinary world use non-tasteful shrimp as taste carriers. Meanwhile, north sea shrimp are.. the primary source of taste, here. I think you will be surprised when you eventually taste it! That surströmming thing is mainly a bravado thing our northern people…

I was going to say - bah, in Canada we have exceptionally tasty shrimp on the west coast, sold directly from the boats and it will beat your borealis to a pulp. But then, just in case, I checked what your shrimp looks like and guess what - it's the same one! :)

I'll second this. I recently spent some time in Sweden and, on the whole, really enjoyed the shrimp. In particular, the shrimp salad sandwiches. There were bad ones, of course. Bröd & Salt was a fast-food/bakery chain whose shrimp salad wraps weren't very good at all. However, I had some at other places that were good enough to inspire me to try my hand at them once back in Canada.

The results with Canadian shrimp? Superior to anything in Sweden, but probably because the shrimp went from frozen to cooked and on the plate in under an hour, while the sandwiches I had in Sweden probably had shrimp that had been sitting in the fridge for a while. The taste of the shrimp was very similar. In any case, I strongly recommend trying your hand at making Swedish shrimp salad sandwiches. They're easy to make and delicious!

Edit: It would appear I used "Wild Atlantic Prawns", which were likely Pandalus borealis. So, probably the same species. They're very common in Canadian supermarkets. I didn't realize how lucky we are!

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by beloch »

johansch wrote: post #40
huhtenberg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say - bah, in Canada we have exceptionally tasty shrimp on the west coast, sold directly from the boats and it will beat your borealis to a pulp. But then, just in case, I checked what your shrimp looks like and guess what - it's the same one! :)

:) Do you know if there is a scientific name for the shrimp? I'm thinking the cold water is the primary ingredient in having yummy shrimp.

Canada produces a lot of Pandalus Borealis too, which is fairly common in Canadian supermarkets.

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by Maultasche »

bitL wrote: post #3

Right next to museums. A very convenient find! :)

I was amazed to read that they didn't even intend to remove it and place it in a museum. They just buried it again. Apparently, an early 17th century ship wasn't a significant enough find to justify the costs of preserving it!

They must have a lot of old ships around there to not want to bother. Anything like that found in the United States would end up as the star attraction in a museum for sure.

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by dzdt »

johansch wrote: post #6

"We took some chronological samples in the summer and we received the results which showed that wood is oak from Sweden, and it was cut in the winter between 1612 and 1613, which is a really good, precise measure." I'm really curious about the analysis process involved here. Is C-14 dating that precise? How do they know it was oak from Sweden?

There are measured ring-width chronologies from all over Europe. Years which are hot and dry give small amounts of tree growth; wetter years give more growth. The sequence of thick and thin rings correlates across large regions, allowing the dating of oak wood with a sufficient number of rings -- about 100 for good certainty. In many cases it is possible to identify a much finer location where trees were grown. While there is some correlation between (say) weather in Sweden and Germany, the correlation is much higher in nearby locations. It is often possible to locate wood to a specific forest just based on the ring widths.

Re: Swedish King's 'forgotten' 17th-century warship found in central Stockholm

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Post by tyldum »

beloch wrote: post #43
huhtenberg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say - bah, in Canada we have exceptionally tasty shrimp on the west coast, sold directly from the boats and it will beat your borealis to a pulp. But then, just in case, I checked what your shrimp looks like and guess what - it's the same one! :)

I'll second this. I recently spent some time in Sweden and, on the whole, really enjoyed the shrimp. In particular, the shrimp salad sandwiches. There were bad ones, of course. Bröd & Salt was a fast-food/bakery chain whose shrimp salad wraps weren't very good at all. However, I had some at other places that were good enough to inspire me to try my hand at them once back in Canada. The results with Canadian shrimp? S…

Frozen shrimp? It has to be boiled in sea water on the boat it was caught and eaten the same day. I refuse to eat frozen shrimp.
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