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China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

#41

Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Did you not get the SEC memo?

The US doesn't have to ban ICOs as most of them are securities and unregistered selling of securities is already illegal.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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People will see the authoritarian aspect of this, but in my view the Chinese are particularly vulnerable to financial scams for cultural reasons. - They have recent communist history/lack experience of crashes/associated fraud. - Traditionally they actually worship money - By burning fake money. - MLM scams are popular (at least in Taiwan). - When I watched a video by Andreas - that Bitcoin guy - the audience (in US)…

>> They have ... lack experience of crashes/associated fraud. The Asian financial crisis was all these things.

The average Chinese person did not experience this. In 1997, China was nowhere near where it is now in terms of the average Chinese citizen's exposure to global markets, bubbles, and crashes. Even now, their ability to invest is supremely limited such that real estate is one of the only real investment options, fueling a nasty bubble. One of the people I manage in Shenzhen asked for a raise last year because they lost all their savings in a local stock market crash. Person is about 50 years old. Scams are common. China is not ready.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

#43
post #35

People will see the authoritarian aspect of this, but in my view the Chinese are particularly vulnerable to financial scams for cultural reasons. - They have recent communist history/lack experience of crashes/associated fraud. - Traditionally they actually worship money - By burning fake money. - MLM scams are popular (at least in Taiwan). - When I watched a video by Andreas - that Bitcoin guy - the audience (in US)…

> Traditionally they actually worship money - By burning fake money.

Burning hell money is a symbolic offering to the deceased, not an act of worshipping money itself. Or do Westerners "actually worship flowers" because we place them on graves?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_money

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

#44

Had to dig around 3 sites before finding a definition for ICO: ICO (Initial Crypto-Token Offering) refers to financing through the issuance of encrypted tokens (Crypto-Token).

Originally Initial Coin Offering, but that's been retrofitted to a less securities-y definition.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

#45

Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Actually I think such bold decisions can only be made by a government that is not encumbered with lobbies and business interests.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

#46
Interesting.

To a relative outsider, a lot of the current movement in the crypto-currency space seems to be about amplifying the holdings of those who already hold. The BCC fork, for instance, effectively gave current bitcoin holders an overnight boost in the 15-20% range.

ICOs appear to be a way to finance things in a kickstartetr type way, only with instantly trade-able coins in the form of a new crypto-currency, with buy-in conducted in ether. These provide a new speculation vehicle, often/usually totally divorced from the underlying activity of the company.

Both of these things neatly skip any sort of bootstrapping phase that might be inherent to a new crypto-currency, and serve insiders and the already crypto-wealthy rather than newcomers or those outside the existing bubble. The whole thing seems very tenuous, and speaks very much of an "in-crowd".

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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post #41

Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Did you not get the SEC memo? The US doesn't have to ban ICOs as most of them are securities and unregistered selling of securities is already illegal.

That SEC memo was weak. They should have made much more forceful statement. Thousands (likely tens of thousands) of US citizens are still investing in ICOs, there needs to be much stronger action taken to stop their gambling.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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post #46

Interesting. To a relative outsider, a lot of the current movement in the crypto-currency space seems to be about amplifying the holdings of those who already hold. The BCC fork, for instance, effectively gave current bitcoin holders an overnight boost in the 15-20% range. ICOs appear to be a way to finance things in a kickstartetr type way, only with instantly trade-able coins in the form of a new crypto-currency, w…

> Both of these things neatly skip any sort of bootstrapping phase

So true. That bootstrapping phase has been reduced to dream up a whitepaper and that's basically it. All what comes afterwards to pump the launch is clever marketing (I've seen Google ads, FB ads, celebs on Twitter etc etc). I cannot understand why it is legal to behave like that.

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