What's up with that esoteric rant about systems by Chris? What the hell is that guy talking about? Sounds like Sarah Palin.
Maybe he gets "word salad" when he's wound up. And boy did he sound wound up.
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#42Wow, the amount of ignorance displayed here is significant. It's painful just listening to it, and the blatant double think -- I'm protecting my rights by disregarding your rights...
He seems to not understand the difference between lgpl and the gpl.
"He seems to not understand the difference between lgpl and the gpl."
If calling a function from a GPL project or having css/html that interact with a GPL project means that your project needs to also be open sourced, this should be a wakeup call to all businesses to not get anywhere near the license.
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#43I'm trying to see the practical reasons of why NOT to use the GPL in this specific case. If people are going to steal thesis they will steal it. GPL doesn't change that. Here's what I want yo know: how many people has chris asked to stop illegally distributing thesis? This is interesting to me as I'm releasing something very cool re: wordpress themes next week.
"If people are going to steal thesis they will steal it. GPL doesn't change that."
No, it doesn't. But it doesn't give you any right to stop people from stealing it. Someone could also come out with the thesis 2 theme, not change anything about it, and start selling it. Chris would have no recourse.
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#44Trying my best not to sound rude, but Chris Pearson sounds extremely obnoxious. His analogies are all over the place and very defensive; most likely because he realizes that he is on the wrong end of the debate. The license explicitly says it has to be GPL. End of discussion. He is making up his own rules!
Exactly... and it is obvious the Chris came into this discussion with his mind set (and not open) and didn't listen to a single thing Matt said.
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#45Wow, the amount of ignorance displayed here is significant. It's painful just listening to it, and the blatant double think -- I'm protecting my rights by disregarding your rights...
He seems to not understand the difference between lgpl and the gpl.
If calling a function from a GPL project or having css/html that interact with a GPL project means that your project needs to also be open sourced, this should be a wakeup call to all businesses to not get anywhere near the license.
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#46Chris Pearson's defense is thin at best: Switching to GPL wouldn't affect my business at all! It just rubs me the wrong way! Additionally, he comes across as a real jerk. EDIT: After listening to the whole thing I am appalled by Chris Pearson's lack of understanding about licensing and his offensive attitude. Matt Mullenweg deserves an award for being so gracious and patient.
"Chris Pearson's defense is thin at best: Switching to GPL wouldn't affect my business at all! It just rubs me the wrong way!" It will ruin his business. Anyone that buys the thesis theme will be able to share it for free (and he will have no legal recourse). "Additionally, he comes across as a real jerk." so does Richard Stallman. I think he is sick of the GPL zealots hounding him. I would be too. "Matt Mullenweg de…
open source zealots are in full force tonight
Re: Would WordPress Sue The Maker Of Thesis WordPress Theme? - Mixergy Interview
#47What's up with that esoteric rant about systems by Chris? What the hell is that guy talking about? Sounds like Sarah Palin.
Maybe he gets "word salad" when he's wound up. And boy did he sound wound up.
Yeah, he was all over the place. Some people just can't talk on pressure situation. Quite a few time I had to go back and listen to what he was saying and still couldn't make sense. He just puts up a bunch of words together and it makes absolutely no sense. Sarah Palin is an apt comparison.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look at the two links provided in one of my other comments pointing to perpetualbeta.com. That guy is an IP lawyer who provided some opinion that is not on the side of Wordpress. EDIT: Not many licenses have been challenged in court, including the GPL. Do you have any cases to cite in favor of GPL?
From your search link, I don't see any results of cases where the infringement wasn't based primarily on redistribution of the original work. I don't think that Thesis is distributed with a copy of Wordpress. I definitely think it's a sketchier argument to make with a theme. Settlement of a case doesn't always mean that the defendant is going to lose either. It can also mean that the cost and distraction of a protrac…
You are right they are different issues. Personally I would like to see Matt and FSF go after him and end the debate once and for all.
Re: Would WordPress Sue The Maker Of Thesis WordPress Theme? - Mixergy Interview
#49Trying my best not to sound rude, but Chris Pearson sounds extremely obnoxious. His analogies are all over the place and very defensive; most likely because he realizes that he is on the wrong end of the debate. The license explicitly says it has to be GPL. End of discussion. He is making up his own rules!
Exactly... and it is obvious the Chris came into this discussion with his mind set (and not open) and didn't listen to a single thing Matt said.
"Exactly... and it is obvious the Chris came into this discussion with his mind set (and not open) and didn't listen to a single thing Matt said."
Do you think Matt would have changed his mind either? From his tweets and past interviews, he doesn't seem like he will ever change is mind about derivative works.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
He seems to not understand the difference between lgpl and the gpl.
"He seems to not understand the difference between lgpl and the gpl." If calling a function from a GPL project or having css/html that interact with a GPL project means that your project needs to also be open sourced, this should be a wakeup call to all businesses to not get anywhere near the license.
WordPress' position on what parts must be GPLed is quite clear, and explicitly excludes CSS and media. The PHP portions of the themes are the parts they argue must be GPLed.