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Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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> Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by leaders and the government? The US Government does not need to mandate student course on artificial intelligence. Just as they did not need to mandate courses on the transistor, micro-processor, dozens of programming languages, html, TCP/IP, or how to be a database admin. Tensorflow (prev DistBelief) - which helped provide the spark for this AI boom - was not derived fr…

I don't think tensorflow sparked the AI Boom. Maybe AlexNet did.

It was Google's simplification and opening of Tensorflow that almost immediately sparked the boom that's occurring now. That is exactly where it began to broadly take hold.

You can trace it directly by counting AI stories on HN. There's a before TF and an after TF. I don't think it's subtle, there was a huge acceleration at exactly that time forward.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Artificial intelligence == ML/CV/NLP (not the AGI) will transform the world over the next two decades. People vastly underestimate importance of recent advances in detection/recognition/NLU tasks. Sure it sounds boring by some sci-fi standards but when it comes to warfare ability to deploy cheap drones that can do near real time enemy identification will transform not just the battelfield but the entire society. Look…

I might believe in the advent of AI once my phone alarm disables itself instead of ringing when I have been travelling at 75miles per hour for 30 minutes, obviously awake and going to work.

It takes time for a new technology to penetrate to many detailed aspects of our lives. This is particularly true for 'horizontal' technologies like electricity and AI.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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I don't think tensorflow sparked the AI Boom. Maybe AlexNet did.

It was Google's simplification and opening of Tensorflow that almost immediately sparked the boom that's occurring now. That is exactly where it began to broadly take hold. You can trace it directly by counting AI stories on HN. There's a before TF and an after TF. I don't think it's subtle, there was a huge acceleration at exactly that time forward.

Is TensorFlow really that much better than Torch and the others, or is it just the Google brand that gave it the extra juice?

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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It terms of life saved, I totally agree. In terms of social progress, this causes a big problem: military power, until now, depended in big parts on having military people on your side. So sure, they can be corrupt, swayed by a more or less evil ideology or just plain racist, but in order to be a leader, you needed to at least satisfy a big group of people. And it was easier if it were the majority. Automated warfare…

This already happened in the 2003 Iraq invasion. It was wildly unpopular, so Cheney & Gang crafted a bullshit strategy around using very few troops and a lot more technology. It never made sense. They just wanted a war and knew they had to placate members of the military and people concerned about a Vietnam-style draft. The next time their strategy might actually succeed. Once the U.S. military has a drone army capab…

It's interesting the extent to which Americans didn't support going into Iraq and knocking over Saddam during the first Gulf War. The widely supported essentially what Bush did, in pushing their forces out of Kuwait and semi-crippling Iraq's military capabilities (no fly zones, sanctions, etc).

The American people had to be terrified into Iraq part 2. They had to be lied to constantly, abused with terrorism color codes on a weekly basis, constantly told their lives were in danger at the airport, lied to about the threat from WMDs, and the warhawks had to use 9/11 on a constant basis as a rallying cry to drive blind patriotism and to auto-silence anyone that would stand against it.

The authorities had to put on one helluva an aggressive propaganda effort to convince Americans to allow it.

Contrast that with the non-existent support for a large military action in Syria (invasion or otherwise), which Obama's Administration floated and quickly pulled away from. The American people are very war sick at this point, fortunately.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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You think Putin parrots Medvedev? I think you're got it backwards. But either way, it's more likely he's "parroting" secret U.S. military plans that his spies obtained for him. This is almost certainly what our military is planning and he almost certainly knows it.

When it comes to tech, totally. They are personally close and Medvedev is a known technophile and Apple fanboy. This is probably something they talked about over tea at Putin's government dacha a few days before.

I'm sure he chats with Medvedev about his iPhone. This isn't "tech" so much as the very highest level of military strategy.

Putin has spent his entire life keeping tabs on the U.S. military's plans and actions. He knows definitely what the U.S. military is working on

When he raises the issue publicly, he's executing a strategy against that effort.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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>Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be? Kim Jung-un?

Maybe his father. It's a little early to see if he's a long-term survivor. In the scheme of things, he's an authoritarian infant. Not to mention, North Korea is more likely being operated by a military cabal right now than by Kim Jong-un.

> North Korea is more likely being operated by a military cabal

is there any evidence of this? This might be true, but does not seem self evident to me.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Dude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer. Give him a break on this one, he's likely just parroting Medvedev, who in turn is parroting one of his distant underlings.

> Dude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer.

Putin became acting president of Russian Federation on New Years Eve 1999. In months since, the only thing he brought into Yeltsin's former office was a computer[1]. He may not be a digital native, but to underestimate him is a mistake.

[1] https://youtu.be/EjU8Fg3NFmo?t=3m10s

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was Google's simplification and opening of Tensorflow that almost immediately sparked the boom that's occurring now. That is exactly where it began to broadly take hold. You can trace it directly by counting AI stories on HN. There's a before TF and an after TF. I don't think it's subtle, there was a huge acceleration at exactly that time forward.

Is TensorFlow really that much better than Torch and the others, or is it just the Google brand that gave it the extra juice?

Google used it internally, that immediately gave it a large artificial boost in terms of a big active foundation and spreading point. It was a big improvement over their earlier work. And it had the Google halo/brand.

I think when you look back at big explosions in tech, it's usually hard to argue it was just some miracle product that was 10x superior to everything else that was the reason (there's usually other competing products or technologies). Often it's a combination of factors that come together and result in the boom (timing, viral cult-like adoptive behavior, etc). Whether we're talking about the web browser (specifically Netscape), the iPhone / mobile Internet, electric car (Tesla), and dozens of other technologies that seem to have followed similar sudden big spikes after seeming to be comparatively stagnant for years or decades (eg solar). They hit that inflection point and off they go. I suspect Google's TF product (along with the other mentioned reasons) was near the sweet spot on timing, combined with a significantly easier to use product, when the GPU was simultaneously getting a lot cheaper and faster. It's likely that for the AI boom to occur, we had to hit a GPU inflection point before it could lift-off fully. Google, as a result of the nature of their business (they perhaps had more reason & resources - due to the nature of search etc - than anyone else to be doing something like TF at that specific time), was there with a product at the right time.

I don't mean to suggest that Google was the sole reason for the AI boom though. Rather, I think the GPU inflection basically guaranteed it was going to happen and Google was in a sweet position out of necessity for the benefit of their own search technology (to their credit they were pursuing this tech despite their money printing monopoly). That they opened up TF, was a big deal though. You can imagine a lot of giants of industry would never in a million years open up something that potentially valuable.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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In another piece of news: China to add AI courses in primary education https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15154289 Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by its leaders and the government?

The article says they want to add AI (supposedly Machine Learning) to primary and middle schools - not highschools. I feel like maybe this is not really thought out. To understand Machine Learning you need to have a certain level of both math and programming education.

In my opinion the field is also developing so quickly right now that it seems too early to teach in school. By the time students graduation their knowledge would be outdated.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Yet the actual purpose of this statement is lost on most.

Using popular concepts to plausibly question the sustainable dominance of others in the geopolitical power-game. It really doesn't matter if this statement proves accurate or not in the future.

"Artificial intelligence" is an interchangeable subject for the purposes of that statement. It's Psy Ops 101. A non-falsifiable piece of propaganda, used to undermine and chip-away at assumptions, which is particularly useful for sowing doubt in perceived institutional strength and their ability to sustain success when new variables are introduced.

In short, swap "AI" for any emerging subject matter or previously unaddressed and now relevant issue and you can make the same statement, in perpetuity, as ammunition against your opponents.

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