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Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by bm1362 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #24

Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way. Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software…

Two NYC startups I've worked at have bonuses in the contracts. 10/20% based on performance with modifiers each way.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#42

Post by theli0nheart »

wanderingjew wrote: post #39
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

> I'm just going to tell you, OP, and everyone who agrees with you right now: fuck off. There's nothing inexplicable about a woman being able to use tools. The fact that your comment was voted up to the top in this Hacker News submission says a lot about Hacker News itself. Go feel shame, because you deserve it.

Regardless of what your opinion is of anyone on this forum, using profanity is inappropriate and uncalled for.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#43

Post by timaz »

wanderingjew wrote: post #39
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

There's nothing inexplicable about a woman using tools.

The main thing I take issue with is someone literally parading a girl around in less-than-underwear for their own profit.

Low profile in their home country.. like showing your face and naughty bits on camera and attending conventions?

Like I said, this really makes no sense when you add things up.

Tools are cheap in China for the Westerner, but not for the average Chinese person (much less that of a girl). Do you know how much a "good" job makes in China? Someone working in a government position with a pension and all makes maybe less than $1000 USD a month.

And a flat in ShenZhen of that size? Also really expensive for the average Chinese to afford.

Edit: I'd love to be proven wrong on this by the way. Bucking this stereotype of Chinese girls all being face-deep in WeChat and food pictures is what China needs.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#44

Post by gertef »

timaz wrote: post #36
rdl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty sure hn user timaz != reddit user timaz. I'd bet hn user timaz is the author of the blog post ("Brianna Wu"). I don't really care about the provenance of the work; it's a well-written article on tech in China. If it's a team of a western engineer and a local Chinese person (who happens to be far more attractive/better presenter, probably), I'm fine with that.

I'm not the owner of that blog. I'm ok with the article being presented better, but I do think profiting off it bears ill-will. One of my favourite benefits of the internet is the ability to hide yourself. Pretending to be someone else more attractive and making up a story crosses the line for me.

It's just branding and packaging. If people like buying stuff from a pretty female face, it's not the engineer's sin to satisfy the bias of the customer.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#45

Post by gertef »

krastanov wrote: post #31
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

The article you linked to certainly raises an eyebrow, but it is far from a definite proof that her persona is fake... And it uses a bit too much slut-shaming in it (maybe not by puritan standards?).

When the original character is promoting themself as a slut to get undue attention to engineering work, slut-shaming is in scope.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#46

Post by timaz »

krastanov wrote: post #31
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

The article you linked to certainly raises an eyebrow, but it is far from a definite proof that her persona is fake... And it uses a bit too much slut-shaming in it (maybe not by puritan standards?).

I agree, it goes a little too much on the slut-shaming.

There's also a subreddit I found regarding this, but it also devolves into comments on her body.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#47

Post by wanderingjew »

theli0nheart wrote: post #42
wanderingjew wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

> I'm just going to tell you, OP, and everyone who agrees with you right now: fuck off. There's nothing inexplicable about a woman being able to use tools. The fact that your comment was voted up to the top in this Hacker News submission says a lot about Hacker News itself. Go feel shame, because you deserve it. Regardless of what your opinion is of anyone on this forum, using profanity is inappropriate and uncalled…

A comment that suggests women can't use tools gets upvoted to the top, but saying 'fuck off' is inappropriate. Get Wired or Vice or Gizmodo on the line, we got some Internet Drama™ brewin' here!

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#48

Post by Steko »

ajross wrote: post #27
owebmaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but there are no chinese Googles or Samsungs There is no american or european WeChat.

I guess. There's no one app, but nothing that WeChat does is serving a market that didn't exist in the west first. It's a triumph of integration, not so much innovation. So... sure. In some sense that makes it an exception that proves the rule. If China can be successful with WeChat where is its Tesla or Pfizer or Intel or Fujitsu or... I mean, there are times where a single counterexample can disprove a point. I don…

> where is its Tesla or Pfizer or Intel or Fujitsu or

This is the same argument people made about Japanese companies 40 years ago and then Korean companies 20 years ago.

For the record:

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/IP.PAT.RESD/compa...

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#49

Post by timaz »

gertef wrote: post #44
timaz wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the owner of that blog. I'm ok with the article being presented better, but I do think profiting off it bears ill-will. One of my favourite benefits of the internet is the ability to hide yourself. Pretending to be someone else more attractive and making up a story crosses the line for me.

It's just branding and packaging. If people like buying stuff from a pretty female face, it's not the engineer's sin to satisfy the bias of the customer.

That's a huge problem with the tech community. It's novel to see someone who looks like that with those skills and that gets the views.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#50

Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #24

Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way. Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software…

Companies I've worked for treat engineers very well, and good engineers are highlighted and fast-tracked for promotions.
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