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Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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Post by buu700 »

acconrad wrote: post #20

Here's a link to the study (which, by the way, was unnecessarily difficult to find): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... What a sensationalist and wrong headline. All it says is that "Total fat and saturated and unsaturated fats were not significantly associated with risk of myocardial infarction or cardiovascular disease mortality." So whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you co…

whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you could fill a good portion of that total caloric intake with protein instead of carbohydrates and that would still satisfy the claims that you can mitigate against "Higher carbohydrate intake was associated with an increased risk of total mortality"

This doesn't contadict any of your points here, but: my understanding is that excess dietary protein is broken down into glucose via gluconeogenesis, in which case I suspect that the high-protein and high-carbohydrate diets wouldn't have significantly different results.

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Post by jessriedel »

heatish wrote: post #27

Am I missing something or is there not a single link to the study in this article? Didn't see it anywhere on mobile. After the title there isn't really any info about dietary fats but instead will read about how basically all this study may have found is that those doing "low fat diets" might end up eating really crappy carbs. I can't find the link to the study though so maybe they found something else.. I don't thin…

Very regrettably, most newspapers still do not link to the original journal article when discussing academic work. Even places like the NY Times started doing this routinely only a few years ago, more than a decade after it become trivially easy to do technically.

Re: Low-fat diet could kill you, major study shows

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Post by dboreham »

hacker_9 wrote: post #14
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, given the amount of previous research about harmful effects of fat Dietary fat has been shown to be healthy over and over again. There's nothing controversial about saying dietary fat is good for you; it is established science at this point. I believe what the quote was trying to say about saturated fat is that they feel it is less dangerous than carbohydrates and sugars, and while the UK food industry has bee…

Because people think fat in nutrition = fat in the body. And looking at the amount of low-fat products on the shelves, people just don't care enough to work out the difference themselves.

Not an easy task when the medical profession and governments have said that fat in nutrition == fat in the body for decades.

With this kind of "science" in our history it isn't surprising that many don't believe today's climate scientists.

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Post by ashark »

adrianN wrote: post #19
clort wrote: post #12

I keep thinking that diet, and fitness in general, is a complex thing to keep track of. I'm reminded that the wealthy, who can afford a personal trainer or physician to give advice for a significant proportion of the time would be better able to manage this, and I wonder when it will be that our own personal digital assistants will be able to help more of us do that. Problem is of course, privacy.. if Ltd create a PD…

I keep seeing the argument that only the wealthy can afford a healthy diet. I just don't buy it. At least in western countries, anybody can do it, it's not that hard. Getting the basics right is just a google search away. Buying reasonably healthy food is not that expensive, and preparation doesn't take long. I know that because I prepare my food myself and it doesn't take me more than two or three hours per week. Oa…

It gets more difficult when you're cooking for/dining with your family and not everyone's on board with sandwich and egg dinners all the time. Kids, yeah, they'll eat what you give them (sooner or later) but a spouse/SO is another matter. Not impossible, but harder.

Exercise, diet, just so much easier when you're single. Stupid-easy. And before kids, especially the exercise part.

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Post by SapphireSun »

jessriedel wrote: post #42
heatish wrote: post #27

Am I missing something or is there not a single link to the study in this article? Didn't see it anywhere on mobile. After the title there isn't really any info about dietary fats but instead will read about how basically all this study may have found is that those doing "low fat diets" might end up eating really crappy carbs. I can't find the link to the study though so maybe they found something else.. I don't thin…

Very regrettably, most newspapers still do not link to the original journal article when discussing academic work. Even places like the NY Times started doing this routinely only a few years ago, more than a decade after it become trivially easy to do technically.

It's not just academic studies, journalists very frequently don't cite their sources for many factual claims. Their editors and them knowing what or whom it is is way too often enough for them.

It rubs me the wrong way. It feels a lot like: "We know better and can tell you what to think. We don't need to show our work."

That said, it has been getting better, especially for the tech savy younger generation with Twitter links (:P), but their editors are probably trying to keep the number of hyperlinks relatively low.

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Post by jimrandomh »

acconrad wrote: post #20

Here's a link to the study (which, by the way, was unnecessarily difficult to find): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... What a sensationalist and wrong headline. All it says is that "Total fat and saturated and unsaturated fats were not significantly associated with risk of myocardial infarction or cardiovascular disease mortality." So whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you co…

Thank you for finding the link to the actual study. Can we have this edited to point to it, rather than the Telegraph's clickbaity reblog of it?

From the study:

> "Intake of total fat and each type of fat was associated with lower risk of total mortality (quintile 5 vs quintile 1, total fat: HR 0·77 [95% CI 0·67–0·87], ptrendThis is the sentence immediately before the one you quoted, and I believe it is deceptive to quote the non-result on CVD in particular, rather than the positive result on all-cause mortality.

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Post by GunlogAlm »

jessriedel wrote: post #42
heatish wrote: post #27

Am I missing something or is there not a single link to the study in this article? Didn't see it anywhere on mobile. After the title there isn't really any info about dietary fats but instead will read about how basically all this study may have found is that those doing "low fat diets" might end up eating really crappy carbs. I can't find the link to the study though so maybe they found something else.. I don't thin…

Very regrettably, most newspapers still do not link to the original journal article when discussing academic work. Even places like the NY Times started doing this routinely only a few years ago, more than a decade after it become trivially easy to do technically.

That's why I like the BBC; they link to the study the article is discussing, and have always done so.

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Post by aluhut »

acconrad wrote: post #20

Here's a link to the study (which, by the way, was unnecessarily difficult to find): http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67... What a sensationalist and wrong headline. All it says is that "Total fat and saturated and unsaturated fats were not significantly associated with risk of myocardial infarction or cardiovascular disease mortality." So whether you have low or high fat in your diet, you co…

> Doctors generally recommend 20-35% already

I did not know that. So it was useful at least for me. However, thanks for reading.

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Post by JoshMnem »

This article is an example of one reason why AMP is bad. I'm on a laptop and still seeing the AMP (restricted) version. I just saw a blank screen and it took about 4 seconds for any content to appear. The publisher was prevented from displaying their full website to me, because someone linked to the AMP version.
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