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Facebook – You are the Product

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Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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> call or text them There is no difference between a call or text and a message on FB, the medium doesn't change the context.

A call or text is a different interaction than scrolling through an infinite newsfeed designed to keep you addicted.

A facebook message doesn't force you to scroll forever. It's a message, just like a text message.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I'm here to fix some ignorance, since the source of the "you are the product" idea is not these books. Metafilter user blue_beetle first put this idea online when he said "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold" in response to the Digg revolt of 2010. The idea apparently existed for a few decades prior regarding TV advertising. I prefer to think blue_beetle was the one wh…

Sorry - I want to make clear that the point of sharing this article on HN is not to give credit to who came up with this concept. I simply want to start (or continue) discourse on this particular subject.

To be honest, this isn't even just about Facebook, I'm sure you could have the same argument about the majority of today's tech companies who are commoditizing information about users and using that to monetize.

Generally, though, this is a trend that is not slowing down, instead it's rapidly speeding up. In addition to that, the methods have become increasingly worse. I'd like to continue discourse on methods of combating this particular phenomenon.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Would the future then not hold social media that were invite-only in some way?

It's already there, it's called "an email server".

It's the 'reply all' button that ruined email. The other problems are solved by adequate filtering.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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> call or text them There is no difference between a call or text and a message on FB, the medium doesn't change the context.

A call or text is a different interaction than scrolling through an infinite newsfeed designed to keep you addicted.

There is a separate messenger app that doesn't include a newsfeed component

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I stopped using Facebook years ago and I could not recommend it more. I found it to be mental pollution at best and and a total waste of time. If you want to 'keep in touch' with people, call or text them. Make an effort to actually interact with the people who matter to you.

I had been off facebook for 5 years. Now my kid started school and there's info in private facebook groups that is not shared any other way. I hate it but decided to rejoin.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I'm here to fix some ignorance, since the source of the "you are the product" idea is not these books. Metafilter user blue_beetle first put this idea online when he said "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold" in response to the Digg revolt of 2010. The idea apparently existed for a few decades prior regarding TV advertising. I prefer to think blue_beetle was the one wh…

One of the main points underpinning the thesis of Manufacturing Consent's Propaganda model is news organizations selling audiences to corporations via their advertising arms.

So I would say the notion goes back at least to Chomsky and Herman.

Edit: Maybe it needs to be clarified that I'm in agreement with Olympus's comment and trying to expand on it.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I stopped using Facebook years ago and I could not recommend it more. I found it to be mental pollution at best and and a total waste of time. If you want to 'keep in touch' with people, call or text them. Make an effort to actually interact with the people who matter to you.

So tell me, how do i replace around 5 different group chats i have on messenger which can have anywhere between 5-10 people in each chat?

Music events that i go to are exclusively promoted on facebook. How do you recommend i find out about these events so that i can get a cheaper ticket price?

if anyone wants to organize a plan that has more than 8 people, facebook groups make it much much easier.

I personally hate facebook's mobile apps and some it's policies ( Internet.org comes 1st to my mind), but it's hard to completely stop using it.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Most people I know dislike FB. But there are hundreds of millions out there for whom FB had become an addiction. B

Research shows that most people use FB to keep in touch with their close friends and family. I don’t think it’s bad to be addicted to that. Edit: Some references for the people who downvoted: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0193397308000701 (also talks about how FB is a good help for people with low self-esteem) http://www.cairn.info/revue-sociologie-2017-1-p-57.htm (French) http://www.cairn.info/re…

That's what it was supposed to be for me, at least in the beginning.

Then I realized that I keep in touch with the people who I want to keep in touch using direct messages, phone calls, email, etc.

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