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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by vaishaksuresh »

coffeevradar wrote: post #28
mulletbum wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

If you're suggesting that Hitler also placed all of the blame on immigrants, you must mistakenly believe that the Jewish people were immigrants to Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe. This was not the case. The Jewish victims of the Holocaust were targeted for being Jewish, not because they hadn't been born within certain borders.

Trump isn't going after immigrants, he is going after brown people and more generally non-white people. It doesn't matter to him if they were born here or came here.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Analemma_ »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #27
corporateslave3 wrote: post #12

The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on boa…

Sigh. "Virtue signaling" has become yet another formerly-useful concept now drained of all meaning because everyone uses it to mean "thing I don't like" (ironically, usually because they're virtue signaling).

Listen up: people, including CEOs, actually can have their own opinions on things. They can decide "hey, I don't want to support this guy who refuses to condemn neo-Nazis". That is hardly an unthinkable prospect.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by krautsourced »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #36
corporateslave3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

Wait - aren't you exactly describing identity politics?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by vaishaksuresh »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #27
corporateslave3 wrote: post #12

The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on boa…

The flak that Trump is getting is not because he did not condemn white supremacist groups, it is because he said both groups are same. One was there preaching the idea of owning other people and violence, the second was there to ask for equality.

BLM and KKK may both be violent, but they are being violent for different reasons. You can condemn the violence without equating them. It is like saying Nelson Mandela and Pablo Escobar are same because they fought government and went to prison.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

mulletbum wrote: post #23
corporateslave3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by richmarr »

WaxProlix wrote: post #30

> You can believe that broad common ownership of the means of production can still foster competition, while also thinking that that common ownership should be allocated by capitalist methods. I don't understand how this would work - anyone more economically versed care to chime in on how you could have common ownership of the means of production that was also distributed capitalistically?

Pension funds do this already to a degree. Everyone pays in, the funds invest in all sorts of things, so everyone kinda owns bits of everything in a capitalist way.

Of course it's obfuscated enough that it's hard to know what you own a piece of, but it doesn't have to be that way.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Analemma_ »

krautsourced wrote: post #44
gremlinsinc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…

Wait - aren't you exactly describing identity politics?

Prepare to have your mind blown: it's possible to both dislike contemporary leftist idpol and still think Nazis are indisputably much worse.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #42
Consultant32452 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on boa…

Sigh. "Virtue signaling" has become yet another formerly-useful concept now drained of all meaning because everyone uses it to mean "thing I don't like" (ironically, usually because they're virtue signaling). Listen up: people, including CEOs, actually can have their own opinions on things. They can decide "hey, I don't want to support this guy who refuses to condemn neo-Nazis". That is hardly an unthinkable prospect…

A neo-Nazi killed someone and Trump's first response was to condemn all hate and violence. Was that some sort of secrete white supremacist code that meant hate and violence from neo-Nazis is totes cool? Is that seriously your narrative?

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Post by Consultant32452 »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #45
Consultant32452 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on boa…

The flak that Trump is getting is not because he did not condemn white supremacist groups, it is because he said both groups are same. One was there preaching the idea of owning other people and violence, the second was there to ask for equality. BLM and KKK may both be violent, but they are being violent for different reasons. You can condemn the violence without equating them. It is like saying Nelson Mandela and P…

Both groups deserve equal protection under the law and should have the right to assemble. Any violence against either one is equally problematic. The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant.
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