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Post by dismantlethesun » Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 10:28 PM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #25

true_religion wrote: post #22

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How about china?

Mao wasn't a dictator? China has certainly made some significant steps away from dictatorship, though it's still damned authoritarian. It's also made significant steps away from communism (I mean, it has billionaires and everything). That's not a coincidence.

China is a communist autocracy where the leadership is a ruling counsel. It has divisions of power, and peaceful transitions of power.

It's not a dictatorship characterized of a single leader ruling by force, with no stable transitions of power.

As an aside, North Korea is a stable hereditary monarchy, and not a dictatorship. Neither him nor his father took power via force.

Now that doesn't make them "good people". Mary Queen of Scots, and King John of England, were legitimate monarchs and terrible leaders.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Post by Turing_Machine » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 5:45 AM UTC

zimpenfish wrote: post #31

Turing_Machine wrote: post #21

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> You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable. "False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did. > Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than anything. Can you give me an example of a Communist country that isn't a dictatorship? The "But that wasn't real comm…

> "False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did. Has there been a world war against the communists? Not that I am aware - your comparison of WW2 and the Cold War is false although I appreciate that you're only doing it to try and force an argument to the extremes. (You also might want to reflect on why you're this eager to minimise the crimes of Nazism.) > Can you give me a…

> Has there been a world war against the communists?

Yes. It ran for 70 years, with a truce during WWII. It was called the Cold War. It was fought in Korea, Vietnam, and many other countries.

> why you're this eager to minimise the crimes of Nazism.

I'm not eager to "minimise" anything. Nazis were horrible, but Communists killed more people, and that is just a fact. Why are you so eager to defend Communism?

> it's for you to show that Kim Jong-Un is a Communist

Umm... no, it isn't up to me to prove something that's been common knowledge since the 1950s, namely that North Korea is a Communist regime.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 6:17 AM UTC

Turing_Machine wrote: post #42

zimpenfish wrote: post #31

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> "False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did. Has there been a world war against the communists? Not that I am aware - your comparison of WW2 and the Cold War is false although I appreciate that you're only doing it to try and force an argument to the extremes. (You also might want to reflect on why you're this eager to minimise the crimes of Nazism.) > Can you give me a…

> Has there been a world war against the communists? Yes. It ran for 70 years, with a truce during WWII. It was called the Cold War. It was fought in Korea, Vietnam, and many other countries. > why you're this eager to minimise the crimes of Nazism. I'm not eager to "minimise" anything. Nazis were horrible, but Communists killed more people, and that is just a fact. Why are you so eager to defend Communism? > it's fo…

> no, it isn't up to me to prove something that's been common knowledge since the 1950s, namely that North Korea is a Communist regime.

The DPRK was notionally Communist in the Leninist mold originally, but it was progressively recast into what its own propaganda describes as an alternative Socialism/Communism, but which expressly rejects Marxist materialism and the central role of economic relations with a central role of the individual and the single great leader. In many ways, it's more Fascist than Communist in substance (the highly centralized ideology of Juche bearing an analogous relation to the heirarchical Fuhrerprinzip as absolute monarchy does to feudalism.)

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Post by zimpenfish » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 7:53 AM UTC

veryserioustho wrote: post #37

zimpenfish wrote: post #16

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> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.

Popular opinion had the same attitude towards witches. Times change. We had the same attitude towards communists and communist sympathizers, yet its making a comeback in 'popular culture'. America came down on the side of 'I don't agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it.' That being said, this whole debacle is a slippery slope and that should be the key takeaway here, regardless of whi…

> America came down on the side of 'I don't agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it.'

That's a nice aphorism but isn't even slightly true given the number of wars they've been involved in (even just this century!) and regimes they've plotted to overthrow and organisations the government has infiltrated and ... etc.

For a recent example, compare and contrast the police responses to white supremacist marches vs BLM marches. If your hokey aphorism was true, both would be treated equally.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Post by veryserioustho » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 3:08 PM UTC

zimpenfish wrote: post #44

veryserioustho wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Popular opinion had the same attitude towards witches. Times change. We had the same attitude towards communists and communist sympathizers, yet its making a comeback in 'popular culture'. America came down on the side of 'I don't agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it.' That being said, this whole debacle is a slippery slope and that should be the key takeaway here, regardless of whi…

> America came down on the side of 'I don't agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it.' That's a nice aphorism but isn't even slightly true given the number of wars they've been involved in (even just this century!) and regimes they've plotted to overthrow and organisations the government has infiltrated and ... etc. For a recent example, compare and contrast the police responses to whit…

We're talking about Americans. Not other nations that cry about American imperialism out one side of their face, then demand protection, food and money out the other. If America ceased all humanitarian services and closed all military bases in other nations you would see unprecedented loss of life as we would be labeled an uncaring nation that let women and children starve.

You're right about the different police responses, though, as BLM was allowed to burn an entire city while the white people were kicked out of a park. Labeling all gatherings of white people as 'white supremacists' is disingenuous and racist in and of itself.