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More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by jlebrech »

josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

It was more insensitive than it was inaccurate and also predicted what would happen to the author.

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by AckSyn »

ebola1717 wrote: post #32

Every time an article like this pops up, I see the same sort of response. It's always - Women don't negotiate - Women get pregnant - Women work in lower pay professions And 90% of the time, the article already accounts for the nuances of those topics. Not to mention these arguments have been answered thoroughly many times over, and a cursory google would reveal that. I just wish people would do some basic research be…

And it's also been proven time and time again that the "gender pay gap" is a lie. A myth propagated by people who don't know how to read statistics and raw data, instead curating it to be something it isn't.

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by josteink »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17
josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

> Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? Reading the memo is irrelevant to the fact claim you quoted, which is about the response to the memo, not about it's content. (It's also completely accurate; the memo has been widely condemned on the basis stated.)

Sure. It's technically correct, but that doesn't make it right.

If I (or Gizmodo) were to write and spread fake news about you, where it is claimed that you are most likely a paedophile...

Would you appreciate news agencies afterwards further spreading the lie by using technically correct statements like "dragonwriter, which is largely considered a paedophile"? Especially considering that basic fact checking could verify that this is indeed not true?

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by roel_v »

josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

"I has honestly expected The Guardian to hold higher standards."

... what? It's the Guardian. It's a left-wing version of Breitbart. The vast majority of their 'reporting' is ideology-based fact spinning. I keep wondering why people somehow say that it's a 'respectable newspaper'.

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by josteink »

doktrin wrote: post #20
josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

>> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate > Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? Maybe I'm being pedantic, but the document was widely condemned as being both of those things. Reporting that those condemnations occurred (they did) isn't an implicit validation of said condemnations.

> Reporting that those condemnations occurred (they did) isn't an implicit validation

If 9/11, Iraq and WMDs have taught us anything, it is that repeating a lie enough times makes it true.

This is repeating the lie. Sure. It's done by reference only, and not directly, but it's still a repetition.

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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jlebrech wrote: post #41
josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

It was more insensitive than it was inaccurate and also predicted what would happen to the author.

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Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by boona »

It's fascinating that management at google didn't speak to fact that the memo points to the very real issue in silicon valley that the culture there openly shames those who are right of center into silence. Discrimination is something both the left and the right can do, but in the current landscape, the left seems to get away with it, and are sometimes even praised for it (see virtue signaling).

This could be a wake up call, and I suspect that secretly it is for many people.

Re: More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap

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Post by [deleted] »

jlebrech wrote: post #41
josteink wrote: post #8

> The document, which was widely condemned as misogynistic and scientifically inaccurate Citation needed? Have The Guardian actually read the memo? They are re-iterating misconceptions based on Gizmodos original story, where Gizmodo deliberately gave a misleading report, removed sources and incorrectly presented an internal memo for internal discussion as an "anti-diversity manifesto". Even a cursory glance of the ac…

It was more insensitive than it was inaccurate and also predicted what would happen to the author.

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