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Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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Post by thrawy67 » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 5:29 AM UTC

kchoudhu wrote: post #39

thrawy67 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please refer to the ToI article I cited in the reference. This figure is not pulled out of thin air, but neither it is 100% accurate. From ToI article: "The government, citing inputs available with it , told the Rajya Sabha on Wednesday that there were around 2 crore Bangladeshi immigrants staying illegally in India. If you were to believe the government estimates, you have to believe it. Even if it's off by 50%, you…

Starting with 12MM[1] in 2004, what you are effectively suggesting is that 1 in 15 Bangladeshis has left India in the last decade[2]. Come on: outside of Superpower 2030 memes, the grass isn't that green in India, and I'd like to think that the first million or Bangaldeshis crossing over would have sent home word that migration wasn't actually worth it. Why go to India and be poor in Calcutta when you can go to the M…

> what you are effectively suggesting is that 1 in 15 Bangladeshis has left India in the last decade

I am not suggesting anything. I am only answering to your questioning of the source of the numbers.

As for the your other points, you can hold counter or conspiracy theories. I was only answering to your source claim. You may want to repudiate this in public domain if you feel GoI is mis-estimating or ToI is misreporting.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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Post by thrawy67 » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 5:41 AM UTC

wtmt wrote: post #36

thrawy67 wrote: post #16

From the article: > However, unlike countries where similar schemes have been implemented, invasive bio-metric collection is being imposed as a condition for basic entitlements in India Remember: India has a unique set of challenges to overcome if it has to survive and prosper as a nation. It is surrounded by not-so-amenable neighbors and with cross-border infiltration at a constant strategy used against India ("deat…

> Remember: India has a unique set of challenges to overcome if it has to survive and prosper as a nation. Every country has unique challenges, and India does too. But throwing technology, and that too unreliable technology with almost non-existent infrastructure (like connectivity in rural areas where the poor really have to have an Aadhaar for benefits), is a very naive way to handle it. > And almost 20 million Ban…

My responses to your points in order:

- I don't think you should dismiss Aadhar too quickly on technological grounds.

- You mis-represent what I said. I never said Aadhar is citizenship etc., only that biometrics help identify people within the border at any given time.

- I agree with your third point. I am also for not dismissing right to privacy. Only said the concept cannot be straight away can be an import from developed nations.

- Lastly, I never said SC delivered judgement and neither gave any piece meal information. I had clearly mentioned SC had only questioned and linked the complete article which also clearly says the judgement is not delivered yet.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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Post by throwaway274783 » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 8:14 AM UTC

jiraaya wrote: post #13

anilgulecha wrote: post #3

The pro: There have been significant fiscal benefits - fake personas have been completely eliminated in the welfare schemes that are aadhar linked, saving a lot for the taxpayers. The con: Government has all your biometrics, and can technically mine data from connected services to build a very detailed profile of you (hypothetically). IMO, both sides have valid points, and so it ends up being about which side the rul…

> There have been significant fiscal benefits - fake personas have been completely eliminated in the welfare schemes that are aadhar linked, saving a lot for the taxpayers. I'm deeply suspicious of any unqualified statements. It is extremely hard, if not impossible to prove your proposition.

Usha Ramanathan has noted many times that the so called 'savings' are due to two factors: global fall in oil prices, and more worryingly due to the denial of services from biometric issues.

Someone here worried it can be use d for genocide, You know what ? It's already happening.