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Post by jacquesm »

wvl wrote: post #38
jacquesm wrote: post #35

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In the last 24 hours you'll find plenty of those about the Google affair, most likely shut down by Googlers flagging those links to shut down any discussion. Hard to tell without knowing who the flaggers are, which is one reason I don't like flagging.

I find the chronological history of hckrnews.com adds context to why many things get flagged. For example, immediately after the bloomberg article was posted about Google firing the memo author, were several other articles with the same content (from arstechnica and nymag) which were immediately flagged. Any time an inflammatory subject gets beat to death, the same process happens. So in that respect, I often agree w…

Those merges sometimes happen but they're a moderator intervention and so have a pretty high cost associated with t them.

The biggest gripe I have with the flagging is the paternalistic aspect.

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Post by mzh0 »

jacquesm wrote: post #36
DanBC wrote: post #29

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Come off it, you've been here long enough to know that it's an editorialised title.

Ah in that sense. Oh golly, you're right. Well best we don't discuss that then, who knows what kind of subversive stuff might be said.

No, i can ensure you the title is same as what i submitted

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #21
stormbrew wrote: post #19

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The thing about no moderation spaces (above and beyond legal requirements) is that they become tools of organized trolling efforts (harassment campaigns and the like). Having an unmoderated space on the internet is basically the social equivalent of having an open smtp relay. But if this "ignore flags" version of hackernews were to have any moderation at all to prevent the above, it would basically mean forcing extra…

> But if this "ignore flags" version of hackernews were to have any moderation at all to prevent the above, it would basically mean forcing extra work on the moderators of hackernews to cater to a handful of people interested in genuine discussion and a vast army of people interested in using it to troll, harass, and generally be awful to people. I highly doubt that. Typically a normal discussion (such as this one) i…

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Post by jacquesm »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40
forthefuture wrote: post #26

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That topic flag is called reddit.com/r/politics. We are already choosing to come here instead of there.

I have always bowed to the wishes of PG and the mods when it comes to calling out articles as too "hot" This is a funky one, though. The issue itself is about how politics affects what we can say and not say online. In that way, it's a "meta" issue. I can still understand the flagging and death, but damn. Google, Apple, and Facebook are huge monsters that control hundreds of billions of dollars in cash and virtually…

> This is the first time I've felt the tech community actively sticking their head in the sand.

This happens all the time. Techies being 'apolitical' is a huge problem, and of course those very same techies then turn around and scream blue murder when laws are made that hurt their interests or when their tech is used to further some political goal they do not agree with.

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

jacquesm wrote: post #44
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always bowed to the wishes of PG and the mods when it comes to calling out articles as too "hot" This is a funky one, though. The issue itself is about how politics affects what we can say and not say online. In that way, it's a "meta" issue. I can still understand the flagging and death, but damn. Google, Apple, and Facebook are huge monsters that control hundreds of billions of dollars in cash and virtually…

> This is the first time I've felt the tech community actively sticking their head in the sand. This happens all the time . Techies being 'apolitical' is a huge problem, and of course those very same techies then turn around and scream blue murder when laws are made that hurt their interests or when their tech is used to further some political goal they do not agree with.

Being apolitical is fine. I try to be that way publicly and in my work. I fail sometimes, but I try.

But when I look at huge messed up things in society, and I know there are people on HN who had a big role in making them that way?

At some point you gotta cut the crap. Not taking a stand is taking a stand. Nobody gets a free ride. There's no special "get out of difficult conversations for free" card that we tech folks get that others don't have.

I do not think HN needs to be reddit. But yes, I do think a second room for the intersection of tech and politics (and only that topic) is way overdue. We are better than this.

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Post by jacquesm »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #45
jacquesm wrote: post #44

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> This is the first time I've felt the tech community actively sticking their head in the sand. This happens all the time . Techies being 'apolitical' is a huge problem, and of course those very same techies then turn around and scream blue murder when laws are made that hurt their interests or when their tech is used to further some political goal they do not agree with.

Being apolitical is fine. I try to be that way publicly and in my work. I fail sometimes, but I try. But when I look at huge messed up things in society, and I know there are people on HN who had a big role in making them that way? At some point you gotta cut the crap. Not taking a stand is taking a stand. Nobody gets a free ride. There's no special "get out of difficult conversations for free" card that we tech folk…

> We are better than this.

We could be, but we're not. This is what we are right now, a bunch of people that can't even have a rational discussion on a subject such as this.

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

jacquesm wrote: post #46
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being apolitical is fine. I try to be that way publicly and in my work. I fail sometimes, but I try. But when I look at huge messed up things in society, and I know there are people on HN who had a big role in making them that way? At some point you gotta cut the crap. Not taking a stand is taking a stand. Nobody gets a free ride. There's no special "get out of difficult conversations for free" card that we tech folk…

> We are better than this. We could be, but we're not. This is what we are right now, a bunch of people that can't even have a rational discussion on a subject such as this.

I spent my entire youth reading sci-fi stories about mankind making new technology that eventually wipes out the species: giant robots, viruses, nuclear bombs, and so on.

And this it what we got? Tweeting and liking posts? This is the scary tech that's destroyed mainstream media and now threatens to lay waste to civil discourse in general? Typing little comments into boxes? Really?

Nobody can say the universe doesn't have a sense of humor.

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Post by dismantlethesun »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #45
jacquesm wrote: post #44

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> This is the first time I've felt the tech community actively sticking their head in the sand. This happens all the time . Techies being 'apolitical' is a huge problem, and of course those very same techies then turn around and scream blue murder when laws are made that hurt their interests or when their tech is used to further some political goal they do not agree with.

Being apolitical is fine. I try to be that way publicly and in my work. I fail sometimes, but I try. But when I look at huge messed up things in society, and I know there are people on HN who had a big role in making them that way? At some point you gotta cut the crap. Not taking a stand is taking a stand. Nobody gets a free ride. There's no special "get out of difficult conversations for free" card that we tech folk…

There are places for cutting the crap, and taking a stand... that doesn't necessarily have to be here.

To call upon the topic of "safe spaces", I think HN ought to be a safe space for people involved in technology to simply... be... without having to constantly add disclaimers to their comments referencing their employer, or watching out for attacks due to their involvement in something that's suddenly politically volatile.

There are many different forums in the world, and the only way they stay different is by drawing a line as to what topics and discussion patterns they won't except.

The line drawn on HN is hardly a "hard line". Political topics are acceptable, but only one at a time and only if participants remain somewhat aloof.

In conclusion, I think HN is nice simply because it has only one room. Adding other rooms isn't something I'd like to consider, whilst the existence of other multi-room sites exist with the same population.

I am on Reddit, but I use pseudonyms there ... merely because I am afraid.

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Post by true_religion »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #47
jacquesm wrote: post #46

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> We are better than this. We could be, but we're not. This is what we are right now, a bunch of people that can't even have a rational discussion on a subject such as this.

I spent my entire youth reading sci-fi stories about mankind making new technology that eventually wipes out the species: giant robots, viruses, nuclear bombs, and so on. And this it what we got? Tweeting and liking posts? This is the scary tech that's destroyed mainstream media and now threatens to lay waste to civil discourse in general? Typing little comments into boxes? Really? Nobody can say the universe doesn't…

Some of us have spent our entire adult lives working to prevent technology that "wipes out species". It's not an accident that these things did not occur.

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Post by jacquesm »

dismantlethesun wrote: post #48
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being apolitical is fine. I try to be that way publicly and in my work. I fail sometimes, but I try. But when I look at huge messed up things in society, and I know there are people on HN who had a big role in making them that way? At some point you gotta cut the crap. Not taking a stand is taking a stand. Nobody gets a free ride. There's no special "get out of difficult conversations for free" card that we tech folk…

There are places for cutting the crap, and taking a stand... that doesn't necessarily have to be here. To call upon the topic of "safe spaces", I think HN ought to be a safe space for people involved in technology to simply... be... without having to constantly add disclaimers to their comments referencing their employer, or watching out for attacks due to their involvement in something that's suddenly politically vo…

> Adding other rooms isn't something I'd like to consider, whilst the existence of other multi-room sites exist with the same population.

That doesn't parse, but even if it did I disagree with it, i don't think that those other sites exist with the same population.

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