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The cognitive differences between men and women

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Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by wawerOS »

mcappleton wrote: post #31
mempko wrote: post #26

My response here will be unpopular but. Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Building software is a complex social event and requires incalculable amount of different skills sets and team effort. To use single differences to claim men are better at software like the Google guy did is just stupid. It's unscientific conjecture born out of likely deep seated issues many nerds, like me and others,…

>Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? You make a lot of assertions that I think these guys scientific experiments refute.

I have two questions. First which claim? I think I see at least two separate claims in memkpos post (that cognitive differences exist and that they don't matter). Second, what experiments are you referring to that disprove memkpos claim? I ask only to clarify.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by meowface »

DalaiObama wrote: post #7
mnsc wrote: post #2

From the article. "Men, on average, can more easily juggle items in working memory. They have superior visuospatial skills: They’re better at visualizing what happens when a complicated two- or three-dimensional shape is rotated in space, at correctly determining angles from the horizontal, at tracking moving objects and at aiming projectiles." From this article: http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/picture-yourself-…

"Stereotype threat" isn't doing well in replication. https://replicationindex.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/hidden-fig... Money quote: "Research on stereotype threat and women’s performance on math tests is one example where publication bias undermines the findings in a seminal study that produced a large literature of studies on gender differences in math performance. After correcting for publication bias, this literatur…

If "male visuospatial advantage" isn't being replicated when stereotype threat is taken into account, and stereotype threat isn't being replicated when other experimental variables are taken into account, I don't think that necessarily proves or disproves male visuospatial advantage or that it can or can't be explained by stereotype threat.

I think we need some meta-analyses here.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by gehwartzen »

mcappleton wrote: post #31
mempko wrote: post #26

My response here will be unpopular but. Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Building software is a complex social event and requires incalculable amount of different skills sets and team effort. To use single differences to claim men are better at software like the Google guy did is just stupid. It's unscientific conjecture born out of likely deep seated issues many nerds, like me and others,…

>Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? You make a lot of assertions that I think these guys scientific experiments refute.

Not OP, but the wiki entry on cognitive differences in the sexes does a good job listing many of them and is well cited:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_cognition

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by meowface »

mempko wrote: post #26

My response here will be unpopular but. Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Building software is a complex social event and requires incalculable amount of different skills sets and team effort. To use single differences to claim men are better at software like the Google guy did is just stupid. It's unscientific conjecture born out of likely deep seated issues many nerds, like me and others,…

You're right, but you're arguing against a strawman here. The people you think you're addressing aren't making those arguments.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by jackcosgrove »

bayonetz wrote: post #36

This topic has obviously become highly socio-political. The current fashion is that there are basically NO biological sex-type differences; that any sex-type differences are socially imposed and generally disadvantageous to women. I think a meta-study style article like this useful to show all the rich and varied science on the matter and to help spark a dialogue around "what if?". If we assume even half of the impli…

I don't think evolution would necessarily favor specialization between the sexes.

However we do have evidence that fewer men have reproduced than women. This means men have been under greater selection pressures than women, which would lead to specialization.

I think this is an outcome of the length of time that women are fertile relative to the time required to gestate and ween a child, plus the length of time that a man is virile. This introduces an asymmetry between the number of women who can mate and the number of men who can mate.

Your claim of sexual specialization may stand for more complex organisms which follow the mating pattern above, but I don't think there's necessarily a biological imperative to specialize the sexes, beyond the specialization in their reproductive systems.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by jules »

closeparen wrote: post #35
phaed wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't save everyone from feeling shitty. It's a similar argument overweight people have against ads showing fit and healthy people, they want those ads removed cause it makes them feel shitty about themselves. What they need to do is analyze why it makes them feel shitty, and if they don't like what they see, rather than try to change everyone else, they should look into changing themselves. If you accept who you…

Being a sensitive man, an ambitious/aggressive woman, etc. is not and should not be treated like obesity. Expecting conformity to these norms causes a great deal of real-world harm (for starters: repressed emotions creating mental health crises in manly men, timidity leading to poor career outcomes for feminine women), and it is right and proper that we ostracize and exclude people who are looking to do so. We should…

What makes you think you can socially engineer people to appreciate sensitive men? The root of sensitivity is not a respect producing trait for men is because women do not find that sexually desirable on average. Properties that make men respected are the properties that women like: men compete physically (sports or physique), on social status, and on financial success. There is a reason why parents traditionally toughen up boys.

The same applies with the genders reversed.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by Nokinside »

epx wrote: post #24

Men are, by far, more violent. This is a major weakness, or "defect". Why women shouldn't have their own, peculiar, weaknesses? I think that even psychiatric conditions like depression, borderline, ADD, etc. manifest very differently in men and women.

Statistically women appear to have less deviation physically, mentally or socially.

It could be a result of how primates have evolved. For males increasing standard deviation in traits makes it more likely that they are among the few top males that can mate with multiple females. For female being more robust ensures maximum number of children.

Women have both glass ceiling and glass floor. There are far less successful women, but there are also far less women living in the streets.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by kareldonk »

belorn wrote: post #32
jostmey wrote: post #5

I'd like to think society can truely embrace diversity instead of uniformity. Sadly, racial and sex discrimination still exist leaving society stuck with imperfect solutions to deep rooted problems.

Diversity based on grouping people together has several drawbacks, among others that "us and them" is strongly connected to hostility and dehumanization. Discrimination is only possible when people are sorted into distinct groups rather than embracing that all humans have some uniformable traits that define everyone as human . A "us and them" thinking is directly linked to our emotional reaction to security. Many (ma…

The "us" vs "them" conflict between men and women goes back thousands of years and was introduced with specific purposes. My personal research on this can be found at https://blog.kareldonk.com/sexual-suppression-and-repression...

We'll start perceiving everyone as "us" as soon as most people realize what I discuss there.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by nether »

Similarly, some leftists claim that race is a social construct because there is more genetic variation within a race than across them. Except you have genetic tests that easily identify race: https://www.wired.com/2007/12/ps-dna/ and medical studies that indicate the race of patients studied, because it is a medically significant concept: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Different-Races-Are-Genetical....
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