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New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by williamscales »

randerson wrote: post #36

Am I the only person who uses the physical home button to feel for which way is up when pulling the phone out their pocket? I'm going to look like an idiot 50% of the time i pull my phone out once that button goes virtual.

I thought the same, but I've been using various phones with virtual home buttons for years and it's never been an issue. I found that in practice I am almost always holding my phone in my hand before putting it in my pocket so it goes in the same way each time.

Having the extra screen space available for watching full screen videos and such is nice.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by williamscales »

potatolicious wrote: post #25
Shivetya wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there were other rumors pointing to the touch id being integrated on the sides of the device and even worse but discredited rumor of it being moved to the back. my concern with any facial recognition replacing what is currently in use is that many times I unlock my phone without having to look at it and rely on that. The old slip it out of my pocket and quick glance to see if I need to address something now

I'd be ecstatic actually if they moved it to the back. I use a Pixel as my other phone (for Android dev) and the natural placement of the fingerprint sensor near your index finger is IMO a really nice feature. That said, I don't think it'll ever happen - that placement of the sensor is so much of an Android-ism that I doubt Apple would ever allow themselves to adopt it.

I have a Pixel and the only downside with the sensor on the back is that if the phone is flat on a surface you have to either pick it up to use the sensor or enter your PIN.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by badwolf »

potatolicious wrote: post #25
Shivetya wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there were other rumors pointing to the touch id being integrated on the sides of the device and even worse but discredited rumor of it being moved to the back. my concern with any facial recognition replacing what is currently in use is that many times I unlock my phone without having to look at it and rely on that. The old slip it out of my pocket and quick glance to see if I need to address something now

I'd be ecstatic actually if they moved it to the back. I use a Pixel as my other phone (for Android dev) and the natural placement of the fingerprint sensor near your index finger is IMO a really nice feature. That said, I don't think it'll ever happen - that placement of the sensor is so much of an Android-ism that I doubt Apple would ever allow themselves to adopt it.

I've used 3 different phones with the fingerprint sensor on the back (Nexus 6p, LG G6, Pixel) ... Pulling it out of my pocket is fantastic. Trying to quickly glance at something while it's sitting on my desk is fkn annoying.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

randerson wrote: post #36

Am I the only person who uses the physical home button to feel for which way is up when pulling the phone out their pocket? I'm going to look like an idiot 50% of the time i pull my phone out once that button goes virtual.

Ironically, there's only a concept of "up" because of the very same home button.

If you remove the home button then there is no up and down, since the virtual home button would always rotate to the bottom per gravity.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by kentosi »

randerson wrote: post #36

Am I the only person who uses the physical home button to feel for which way is up when pulling the phone out their pocket? I'm going to look like an idiot 50% of the time i pull my phone out once that button goes virtual.

Looks like you'll now have to rely on the positioning of the volume control buttons :-)

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

majewsky wrote: post #8
qqg3 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Ever used an Android device? Tap to wake is super useful and makes perfect sense if no physical home button.

The only thing that annoys me is that there is no reverse tap-to-wake. 1. Double-tap on the screen. Lockscreen appears. 2. Check the clock. 3. Fumble annoyedly until finding the power button to turn the screen off.

Agreed. My LG G2 had that, and it was absolutely fantastic; but no phone since then has had double tap to turn off, only on.

I guess they're worried about false positives. But LG solved this by only allowing double tap to turn off from any of the default apps (home screen, notifications, settings, etc). You had to quit out of third party apps to turn it off that way.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by johnchristopher »

untog wrote: post #7
jasonkostempski wrote: post #3

Handling a smart phone is already stressful enough. You can't touch the entire front of phone in fear of accidentally tapping something, even if the screen is off because it might turn on at any moment. With tap to wake you have to worry about just bumping it and with facial expressions you'd literally need to be concerned about just looking at it funny.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

> Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it.

That's not my experience. When I put the phone in my pocket I have to take care of positionning the back against my body otherwise my skin through the jeans trigger pocket calls.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by et-al »

pricechild wrote: post #39
randerson wrote: post #36

Am I the only person who uses the physical home button to feel for which way is up when pulling the phone out their pocket? I'm going to look like an idiot 50% of the time i pull my phone out once that button goes virtual.

Wouldn't it be better if it worked both ways up? Why shouldn't it?

Microphone and camera placement.

Though to address randerson's point, the accessories aftermarket would pick up Apple's shortcomings, as usual.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by overcast »

randerson wrote: post #36

Am I the only person who uses the physical home button to feel for which way is up when pulling the phone out their pocket? I'm going to look like an idiot 50% of the time i pull my phone out once that button goes virtual.

Feel for the side buttons with your index finger. A physical home button really isn't necessary.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by Alupis »

freehunter wrote: post #38
canuckintime wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Donwvotes? Alright let me reframe the question: Are iOS and Android continuing to converging on the same features? What new innovations can be found in the mature mobile market or should be look to other form factors?

Apple very rarely actually innovates. Their innovations tend to be the perfection of an existing technology. I can't think of anything they've done first. They're the prime example of "second mover advantage". AR/VR is where the new innovations are happening. ARKit, Tango, Oculus, Hololens, etc.

> Their innovations tend to be the perfection of an existing technology.

Even this point is highly contentious.

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