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110 N.F.L. Brains

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Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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I think the prevalence of concussions in football compared to rugby is proof that "better equipment" doesn't prevent concussions. It has the paradoxical effect of causing them. Better shoulder pads allow for people to launch their bodies without fear of separating their shoulders. Conversely, helmets are not designed to protect the brain, only to prevent skull fractures. Thus, I don't think your argument holds water.

You are right about the equipment (even though obviously only concussion vs concussion + skull fracture is a step forward!), but the difference between football and rugby goes way beyond the equipment. In the former there's no lateral passing, which means that the ball carrier will always be a target for the whole defense. In rugby you can pass the ball, which makes the defense spread wider and doesn't allow them to…

Precisely. In rugby, it is much more stressed and emphasized to make secure tackles.

In football, at any given point and time there is one person with virtually a huge bullseye on them and it is sometimes a valid tactic to lay down a more punishing hit (cause a fumble, make a statement, scare your opponent to make a mistake or drop the ball next time, etc) at the expensive of not making a "secure, form tackle"

Ironically, if I am remembering correctly, the Seahawks and coach Pete Carroll teach more of a "rugby" style tackle, and that's why they consistently have one of the best tackling defenses.

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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The prevalence of CTE in the NFL brains is irrelevant until we can compare it to the prevalence in the general population. And the issue is it's being more closely examined in the NFL brains currently. General population prevalence estimates are likely underestimated.

From the article: "So even if every one of the other 1,200 players would have tested negative — which even the heartiest skeptics would agree could not possibly be the case — the minimum C.T.E. prevalence would be close to 9 percent, vastly higher than in the general population." Where are you getting your information that estimates of CTE in the general population are low?

CTE is a post-mortem phenotype. Dementia related to degenerative brain disease is common but not often measured (autopsies aren't done very often for senile patients with an obvious cause of death, especially for autopsies that disfigure the skull).

The idea that There are related common problems in my field of biomedical research. I am a published author in Alzheimer disease, although it is no longer my primary focus. :)

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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I'm more interested in what happens to the brain with youth soccer. Bigger problem than a couple hundred pro athletes.

This article may be about nfl players but concussions in youth football is also a huge problem. It’s been linked to declines in learning aptitude, among other things, so as you start expanding this issue to a problem of diminished quality of life you get an even crazier picture.

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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The NFL isn't a 10 years old league, there's plenty of players who passed away. If anything there would be more examples since equipment was worse before and there were less rules that protected players, especially top/crown helmet leading tackles which started getting penalized with 15yd only in 2013.

I think the prevalence of concussions in football compared to rugby is proof that "better equipment" doesn't prevent concussions. It has the paradoxical effect of causing them. Better shoulder pads allow for people to launch their bodies without fear of separating their shoulders. Conversely, helmets are not designed to protect the brain, only to prevent skull fractures. Thus, I don't think your argument holds water.

Its not the equipment thats the difference, its the rules, even the craziest/biggest rugby player couldnt "hit" (launching shoulder first from your comment) like they do in football, because its illegal, they must make wrapping tackles according to the rules. These can still be devestating tackles but nothing like the impact in football tackles, especially when players are prone to hits without seeing them.

Also you dont have these monsters continually running full speed and colliding to make blocks because blocking is also illegal in rugby.

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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I'm more interested in what happens to the brain with youth soccer. Bigger problem than a couple hundred pro athletes.

I agree. Heading soccer balls is proven to at least temporarily reduce IQ. I've never let my kids play that sport.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/1...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/health/soccer-headers-concussi...

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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My dad played both college and professional football. He had early signs of dementia 15 years ago, but it became really bad about 10 years ago. After a long struggle, he died just earlier this year. It's hard to deal with

How old was he when the early signs began?

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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I want to push back on the "every sport is dangerous" argument I'm seeing in here. There's a difference between "you might die right in the middle of this very fun activity" and "you might die slowly and horribly years from now when you're retired and in the midst of raising a family." I ski pretty aggressively, and of course I might die doing that. But every day I go home and know, "well it wasn't today! Today was j…

There's also a big difference between "you might die right in the middle of this very fun activity, here are the fatality stats from the past 30 years, here are the things you can do which are proven to reduce your risk" versus "this sport is Totally Safe, and to prove it we're going to resist every attempt to investigate long-term injuries so that you'll never really know."

Re: 110 N.F.L. Brains

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I think people take for granted now how good the Times is at these interactive, zine-like layouts for their feature articles. I just want to say another job well done on this one. Each one of these I see is a work of art that clearly took a lot of time across the team.

You can tell there are many devs and designers on their team that take pride in their work! Have you seen those articles that say, "guess what the rate is for X over the years", and you fill out the graph with your mouse, and once you are done you can see what the actual data looks like? It's refreshing

IIRC, they are some the main contributors to D3.js
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