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Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

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Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

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This is newsworthy and should be called out every time, especially when it is such a trusted seller as Amazon.

Someone got shot by police? Not newsworthy, happens all the time. Politicians taking bribes? Not newsworthy, been happening forever.

I regret writing "not newsworthy" now. Although the point I made still stands: this is nothing new.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

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Er, is this not illegal in the USA? It is in Canada: The Act prohibits false or misleading representations to the public as to the ordinary selling price of a product, in any form whatsoever. Ordinary selling price is validated in one of two ways: either a substantial volume of the product was sold at that price or higher, within a reasonable amount of time (volume test); or the product was offered for sale, in good…

Sort of. There are some rules. Note that this varies by state as well, federal law is probably nonexistent.

An old state law which for all I know was repealed ages ago or whatever was that an item couldn't be marked as on sale for half the year or more. You couldn't say it was 40% off for 300 days out of 365, that sort of thing. The easy workaround was to make it 40% off for three months, then have it on no sale at all but mark the sale price as the original price for the next three months, and switch back and forth whenever you want. So long as the item wasn't always marked "on sale" you were fine.

I don't think the US has ever had real evidence based tests like that, except in major class action suit which have largely ceased to exist thanks to mandatory arbitration clauses.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

#43

Not really newsworthy. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." -Publilius Syrus (1st century BC)

This is newsworthy and should be called out every time, especially when it is such a trusted seller as Amazon.

"trusted seller"? What does that mean? What makes Amazon a "trusted seller", and why should we expect them to be different than any other seller?

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

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It's clear to any layperson willing to do research that they did so - I looked up several items on a few price history websites, and found that while they did have lower than normal prices, it was more like a 4% discount off the bottom instead of the 40% they claimed. The Yeti microphones seemed to be the absolute worst - they have never ever been $150, more like $90, and they were on sale for $85 or so.

don't they always do that?

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

#45
Back at an old startup when I had a lot of data from clothing retail websites, including historical prices and sale status, I ran some queries out of curiosity to look for this.

I'm pretty cynical but I was still shocked at the number of results. This seems to be a completely normal practice. Price and being on "SALE" seemed to be optimized or A/B tested almost separately. And the "regular price" field on sale items was garbage data that correlated with nothing.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

#46
I've become more and more disillusioned by Amazon over the years. Prices are now almost never the best; I only buy from them when I need something quickly (and can't get it locally). NewEgg (nearly) always has better tech prices. Walmart often has better prices on everyday items and I can have it immediately. I just bought a pair of tweezers at my local grocery store for two bucks that was $6 on Amazon for the same make/model; sure, it's a terrible item to sell online because it's tiny and cheap and shipping it with prime shipping probably costs as much as the item itself, but I thought they'd solved that problem with "add on" items.

I mean, Amazon is still a very good customer experience, but when I'm buying something big I always comparison shop now. As recently as a couple years ago, I would just buy it. No thought to whether it might be cheaper elsewhere. The convenience of Prime, plus the reasonable confidence that the price would be competitive with everybody else, was enough to where I didn't bother comparison shopping.

Obviously, Amazon isn't hurting. But, I can't help but think that having more of their longtime customers starting to comparison shop is a bad thing.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

#47
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Not only is this not new for traditional vendors, it's not even new for the internet. Scummy sellers on Steam do the same thing right before sales every single year. Oh well. At least some quite nice Anker stuff was actually on sale. You can never have enough USB chargers these days. Just like in the case of Steam, I'm more apt to believe it's sellers that are doing this than Amazon. While both stand to benefit, sell…

Their prices are not the lowest, just experienced this recently. Here is a bike i wanted to buy https://www.amazon.com/GMC-Denali-Large-63-5cm-Frame/dp/B00F... ($220) Ended up buying on walmart ($170) https://www.walmart.com/ip/25-700c-GMC-Denali-Men-s-Bike-Whi... So much for paying $99 to get prime. I have noticed of late that lot of items are cheaper on Walmart and they offer free 2 day shipping.

Off-topic, but that's a truly terrible bike. I know a few people who've gotten it or similar GMC's as "the first result on Amazon for road bike" and they've all had problems with chains breaking or very poor fit of components. I'd recommend http://www.bikesdirect.com/ for cheap bikes online if you're comfortable with assembly and tuning.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

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I've become more and more disillusioned by Amazon over the years. Prices are now almost never the best; I only buy from them when I need something quickly (and can't get it locally). NewEgg (nearly) always has better tech prices. Walmart often has better prices on everyday items and I can have it immediately. I just bought a pair of tweezers at my local grocery store for two bucks that was $6 on Amazon for the same m…

Interesting. I also find myself picking up tech from NewEgg more often than Amazon. And I recently ordered most of the supplies for a cocktail party I was having at Walmart and Bed Bad and Beyond.

Amazon prices might beat local retail, but they are only sometimes competitive with other (often more specizlized) online retailers at this point.

Also, at least for me, shipping New Egg, Walmart and BBAB was faster than Amazon. I don't have Prime however.

Re: Amazon raised Prime Day prices, misleading consumers, says vendor

#49

I've become more and more disillusioned by Amazon over the years. Prices are now almost never the best; I only buy from them when I need something quickly (and can't get it locally). NewEgg (nearly) always has better tech prices. Walmart often has better prices on everyday items and I can have it immediately. I just bought a pair of tweezers at my local grocery store for two bucks that was $6 on Amazon for the same m…

Over and over again I've realized just before or after buying an item from Amazon that I paid way too much. I have finally broken the ingrained habit of leaping before looking. That can't be good for Amazon if too many people do that.

On another note, I am beyond tired of the craptacular deals that are >80% fly-by-night products with astroturf reviews. The gold box deals used to be a favorite bookmarked stop.

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