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Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by freeflight »

yorwba wrote: post #21
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't cite examples either, and I'm skeptical of the premise. If reddit started redirecting /r/the_donald links to anti-Trump propaganda, or Youtube started redirecting his own videos to anti-Trump propaganda, no matter how good that propaganda is, I don't believe you that you could change their mind. And those people aren't even radicalised.

I don't have any sources either, but I'm sure that there will be different reactions to such redirects, depending on the individual. The hardened core will probably feel justified in their beliefs by the attempt to combat them and radicalize even quicker. But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before. So wh…

> But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before.

Not if they are literally being tricked into being lectured, that's not how you convince any sane person of your credibility, it's, in fact, a giant disservice to your credibility.

You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by engaging with them on an even level discourse to reach a common understanding of the issue at hand.

Also consider the reverse possibility of your scenario: What happens when somebody from the "good side" wants to see what opinions on the "bad side" actually look like? Such a thing might become impossible because every search will only lead to the supposedly "good opinions".

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Post by [deleted] »

wruza wrote: post #28
IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

What do we do with those who thinks and is dead sure that blowing himself up in a crowd is a good idea? We all are able to see patterns, but seeing patterns is not what solves complex problems. When doctor cuts your rotten fingers and then it happens it didn't help to save an entire arm, there is a pattern too. What does this pattern tell us? Doc wants to cut all your limbs to be sure you're not leaving his clinic, r…

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Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by scrollaway »

kpil wrote: post #36
freeflight wrote: post #12

This recent trend is really worrisome. YouTube also shut down quite a lot of channels in connection with the Syrian civil war. Reddit too closed down a couple of subreddits, and admins banned users who shared ISIS related content on the /r/syriancivilwar/ subreddit. What an utterly useless and counterproductive exercise in de facto censorship. The only thing this does is drive people deeper into the underground, even…

Great then. Do you have any ideas then how to stop the radicalisation of young muslims? I'm less inclined to believe that rational discussions with ISIS warriors and their supporters will lead that far. I live in what used to be one of the most secular countries in the world, and for various reasons our government have encouraged immigration from the middle east for 20 years, providing free education, free healthcare…

> Great then. Do you have any ideas then how to stop the radicalisation of young muslims?

The stuff GP is talking about is generally not being done to "stop the radicalisation of young muslims" but more likely as CYA/good PR. Maybe for some it's genuinely in good spirit but let's be honest here, it's probably not going to make a big difference.

Ideas to stop radicalization? Well, slowing down marginalization first would be a good move and that's going nowhere good in the US right now. Maybe electing representatives and leaders that don't feed on a self-fueled machine of fear would help. To do that you need an electorate with more critical thinking, which means better education. (And here you see you got a catch-22 since you need leaders that fight for better education in the first place...)

Concretely, what "you" as in any average joe can do is not much, but if you want to do something: help people understand their votes, educate them on politics as well as foreign culture, make them travel more.

What a big company like Google/Youtube could do if they cared to fight for it? Probably a hell of a lot more, but they're not in that business honestly.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by Sleeep »

ricksharp wrote: post #24
StavrosK wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the video calls for none of those, you mean? Of course, like you, I would quite like to see all Christian videos banned, but I'm afraid it might set a precedent.

Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) ( https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA ) I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful. Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types…

This comment is just "no true Scotsman..."

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by electriclove »

megous wrote: post #38
alextheparrot wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist. Speaking directly to this policy, though, isn't your man premise that blow oneself up is bad enough in a vacuum unsupported? Many of these videos are crafted by the terrorist organizations as a recruitment tool. Wouldn't th see organizations not create them…

There are also videos made by murderous dictatorial regimes as a recruitment tool. YouTube has no problem with that. There are videos made by US to get more cannon fodder for their wars which also killed millions of innocent people over the decades. Where do you stop? I'm fine with stopping recruitment videos for war, but at least do it on principle as against the war, not just against a few particular organizations.…

IMO, there is a difference between war and attacks on civilians.

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Post by nerdponx »

dangero wrote: post #26
IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

The other day I was considering commenting in a negative way about something the NSA tweeted, but a voice in my head said, "Do you really want to be put on a special surveilance list?" That's when I realized our freedoms are under threat by those that are tasked with defending them. Think what you will about the NSA, but they certainly have not gone out of their way to make clear to me they care about my freedoms. Ly…

+1 for watching ISIS videos. I needed to understand the situation, I needed to internalize it better. I watched an execution. I watched combat footage. And I am glad I did. I now understand the severity and urgency of the problem. I didn't use a VPN or anything. NSA, come get me.

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Post by sauronlord »

This is disgusting.

If you survey all the regular citizens of the entire world and ask them one question.

"Which group or country is responsible for most terrorist acts?"

The answer is 95% of people vote the USA to be the #1 terrorist organization.

This is not just a matter of opinion, but reflected in the blood soaked histories of the USA's secret assassinations, coups, and bombings.

You know what's extremist vs. not extremist? Whatever the mainstream media wants you to think. That's what.

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Post by nerdponx »

alextheparrot wrote: post #27
IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist. Speaking directly to this policy, though, isn't your man premise that blow oneself up is bad enough in a vacuum unsupported? Many of these videos are crafted by the terrorist organizations as a recruitment tool. Wouldn't th see organizations not create them…

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist.

Honestly when I first heard of ISIS I was pretty sure it was going to turn out to be some kind of "false alarm" excuse to continue war in the Middle East and continue curbing rights in the US. Somewhat like how Al Qaeda didn't really exist until the US started telling ghost stories about them, which turned into free recruiting.

What are the chances that the CIA is behind ISIS?

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#49

Post by philipov »

electriclove wrote: post #45
megous wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also videos made by murderous dictatorial regimes as a recruitment tool. YouTube has no problem with that. There are videos made by US to get more cannon fodder for their wars which also killed millions of innocent people over the decades. Where do you stop? I'm fine with stopping recruitment videos for war, but at least do it on principle as against the war, not just against a few particular organizations.…

IMO, there is a difference between war and attacks on civilians.

A hypothetical difference, or a practical difference? Can you give me an example of a war that managed to avoid attacks on civilians?

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Post by DelightOne »

freeflight wrote: post #41
yorwba wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any sources either, but I'm sure that there will be different reactions to such redirects, depending on the individual. The hardened core will probably feel justified in their beliefs by the attempt to combat them and radicalize even quicker. But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before. So wh…

> But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before. Not if they are literally being tricked into being lectured, that's not how you convince any sane person of your credibility, it's, in fact, a giant disservice to your credibility. You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by enga…

> You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by engaging with them on an even level discourse to reach a common understanding of the issue at hand.

Is that how Trump became presidents? Is he convincing by doing even level discourse? Bullshit. We are still all humans after all and so believe what we want to believe no matter the truth.

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