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Re: Symbian-Guru.com Is Over

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Post by cylinder714 » Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 6:25 AM UTC

mkramlich wrote: post #39

hello_moto wrote: post #2

I worked as an intern at one of the Nokia's branches (won't tell you where, but it's in N.A.) in a city where there are quite a few Symbian software houses. I talked to a few Symbian developers and they absolutely hate it with passion. We're not talking technology for technology sake but more like "Business wise, it's not worth it unless you'd want your workers to suffer productivity nightmare". My (short) time at th…

I've worked in large corporate environments for many years and one of the things I've learned is this: if they call a big company meeting and a guy in a suit gets up and tells you they're going to do X but DON'T WORRY ABOUT Y HAPPENING WE HAVE NO PLANS OF DOING Y, you need to immediately begin assuming that Y is going to happen. Because it will. Maybe not the next day or the next week or even the next month. But it w…

It's entirely Orwellian. It reminds me of what it was like working at Netscape, during the whole weird, elaborate AOL/Sun/iPlanet dance.

Re: Symbian-Guru.com Is Over

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Post by aes » Fri, Jul 02, 2010, 8:55 AM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #25

hello_moto wrote: post #2

I worked as an intern at one of the Nokia's branches (won't tell you where, but it's in N.A.) in a city where there are quite a few Symbian software houses. I talked to a few Symbian developers and they absolutely hate it with passion. We're not talking technology for technology sake but more like "Business wise, it's not worth it unless you'd want your workers to suffer productivity nightmare". My (short) time at th…

After some 8 arduous years of dicking around with the horribly broken Symbian/S60, Nokia finally realized in 2008 that their software process sucks and is fundamentally unable to deliver a competitive mobile app platform. Their solution was to purchase a smaller, nimbler company with a ready product, and let the subsidiary produce the user-visible framework more or less independently of the suffocating Nokia structur…

However, these transitions simply take a long time. Apple purchased NeXT in late 1996, and the first usable Mac OS X release appeared almost five years later.

Also, Apple had Steve Jobs.

This does not look good for Nokia.

Re: Symbian-Guru.com Is Over

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Post by snom370 » Sat, Jul 03, 2010, 7:31 AM UTC

blub wrote: post #20

snom370 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that being anti-hype and anti-fashion is fashionable nowadays? ;)

I dislike hype and fashion because it is not rational, promotes strong emotions over judgement and it is costly for us as a society. You could almost feel this guy's soul tear while writing this. For what, a phone? A corporation? When the market slams Nokia in the face, they will feel it, not when a fanboy jumps ship. And Nokia is getting slammed pretty badly right now. They need to control the Os less they become a…

I agree, the point I was trying to make was that deciding to _not_ buy a phone because it's fashionable is a fashion statement in itself. If the iPhone 4 is good, why not buy it regardless of how (over)hyped it is? Then again, I do see ideological/technical reasons not to buy the iPhone, for instance due to its closed nature.

I think Nokia could have challenged Apple if they had fully focused on Maemo when they first released the 770, and developed a culture of making better, more bug-free software. Now, I'm not so sure. Android has taken the place that Maemo could have had. Steve Jobs was actually right when he said that smartphones had "baby software" during the iPhone introduction - and the mobile industry didn't realize it at that point because _everyone_ were making baby software for their phones until Apple came along.

The people complaining that Apple didn't use the Newton OS for the iPhone doesn't realize that Apple would have been in the same position if they had (regardless of all the innovative features of the Newton).