While this plugs into the OBD-II port but the main use is to dump the CAN bus. Comparing it with OBD-II dongles where the functionality is restricted to the OBD part is misleading. It's far from universal, as not all cars expose all the CAN bus at the OBD-II socket, but a good start for sure. I ordered mine.
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Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
he's answering in the comments, he says typical OBD interfaces are slow and fragile, which I surely believe. Is it me or is his ego made of titanium ? the reporter quotes "we're 3, waymo, tesla and us" .. yet he's building a cuter, faster obdII bridge I don't get it.
Those are the three players with actual networks of deployed self driving cars today. Granted, we are in third with 73 cars (and 1000's on chffr), but well ahead of every other startup. Waymo has around 200, we expect to pass them by the end of the year. In addition to this interface, we also give away source code to a driving agent: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot Looks like this when running (video from a user…
What about GM/Cruise's existing fleet of 50 with an additional 100+ on the way? [1] All equipped with LIDAR which to my knowledge you and Tesla don't have, but will need for level 5. I know Uber ATG also has a sizable fleet as well.
I have a lot of respect for your technical chops and the iPhone/PlayStation hacking you did back in the day, but the lofty claims here are hard to back up. At least Tesla has high margin electric car sales to keep them alive while they catch up to their claims.
It's easy to fool the lay public and tech journalists who don't have any technical backgrounds, but there is a world of a difference between doing fundamental AI research and development vs. patching together off the shelf commodity hardware and wiring it all up with some python.
That said, I wish you all the luck, I think a16z is betting on an acquisition like GM did with Cruise when they didn't really have anything that advanced either.
[1] https://electrek.co/2017/06/13/gm-self-driving-chevy-bolt-ev...
Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda
#43There's an israeli start-up doing much more with that car data. telling you about problems and more. and it costs as much as 20-30$
https://engieapp.com/
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The dude is surfing on ignorants wow effect and past iphone jailbreak. Whatever he says, journalists believe. #fakeoldz
He can be arrogant in some interviews (I don't personally know him), but I doubt that we can discuss he isn't smart as fuck.
He seems to be quite above average, the issue is the ratio hubris / math skillz still seems improperly balanced.
If my sunday psychology profile is correct, he seems to be passionated and fast to hack around and displeased by big corporations business model + slowness + suboptimality. Thus trying to dig diagonally on his own without the enterprise cruft. So far so good, the issue is that it seems he's lying about his abilities. He managed to do 20% and spins it as 70% claiming he'll be at 100% before everybody else. Without independant testing and legislation of course.
Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda
#46This article seemed really incoherent to me.
I didn't understand what comma is trying to do and how selling 1000 "FitBits for your car" to "car enthusiasts and hackers" for $88 helps to compete with Waymo.
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#47Isn't ODB-II just doesn't have anything useful for self-driving? What's is "fragile" part of ODB-II? How does this yet another dongle solve "fragile" part? Isn't it just arduino-like board and ODB-II shield?
Depending on the car, it has many things relevant to self driving. Vehicle speed, RPM, steering wheel angle, etc. For some cars, you can jump to the CAN bus via that port and get more.
It is though, far short of everything needed. He's pitching it as perhaps part 1 of a bunch of other stuff you would need. That's aside from the idea that DIY self driving sounds, er, unwise.
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#48Combining vehicle data with a phone's GPS could improve navigation accuracy in urban canyons [1].
Back in 2007 we read CAN data from a Toyota RAV4 to get wheel encoder, steering angle, acceleration, speed, and braking data [2].
I am surprised Uber/Lyft aren't using something like this. I often see the car location jumping around in SF FiDi.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_canyon [2] http://www.acfr.usyd.edu.au/research/projects/others/darpa.s...
Re: Comma.ai launches an $88 universal car interface called Panda
#49Isn't ODB-II just doesn't have anything useful for self-driving? What's is "fragile" part of ODB-II? How does this yet another dongle solve "fragile" part? Isn't it just arduino-like board and ODB-II shield?
OBD2 is the connector and the protocols used on that connector. The vehicle CAN bus is on the OBD2 port, and the "K-line", which is diagnostic only, is also there.
Not the full CAN bus, only very small subset of it, isn't it?
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#50Given the absurd insecurity of the OBD II CAN interface on all modern vehicles, it seems insane to install anything there with a wireless interface on it.
aren't they read only sensors anyway ? no outside agent can fiddle with your car through OBD2 .. I hope so
You have to unlock most modules, or input a code along with updates, otherwise you brick the the module.
Current generation vehicle electrical architectures are not network safe and rely on physical security.
There is a big trade-off here for the next generation; the electrical architecture will be COMPLETELY locked down, and end users will be locked out of making any updates to modules - something that tinkerers and home-brewers are at odds with. Read only access will still be allowed.