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Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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I never really understood why google amp is bad. Can anyone explain the reason why people think its ethically bad?

Leaving aside the lock-in issues, AMP causes me minor annoyances more often than it helps. For instance, when I open a search result from a site like Reddit, I get a static logged-out view, instead of the normal one that obeys my preferences. And if I want to copy the link, it takes a few extra taps to get the original one.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #19
post #3

I never really understood why google amp is bad. Can anyone explain the reason why people think its ethically bad?

I'm not commenting on "ethics", but I can say why I dislike AMP as a user: I want to interact directly with a website, not through some third party. I especially don't want that third party observing my interactions or collecting data about them. I also don't want to allow that third party to run code (javascript) on my computer. As a website designer (barely), basically the same reasons: I don't want my site under c…

Given that most of the web has Google analytics installed, I'm pretty sure all of the above is happening with or without amp.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

#43
Isn't AMP just an RSS reader for the entire internet?

If they solved the URL issue somehow(even if faking the address bar), and had original and AMP links in search; it would probably reduce the antiAMP argument quite a bit. Which both seem to be just UI issues.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #37

The author's argument against AMP comes down to "I don’t know why I do it, but for some reason it just doesn’t feel “right” to me to consume the content through the AMP. It feels slightly off". This is... not a strong argument. The AMP saga has pretty clearly shown that users care about content while Web developers only care about URLs and what goes over the wire. This is a huge disconnect. It doesn't help that many…

That's neither here nor there. Wanting the ability to turn it off is reasonable.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #21

I suggest stop using google search altogether. https://duckduckgo.com/ is an excellent search engine and its trivial to make a google search via `!g` prefix when you are not finding what you are looking for.

I started using DDG a few months back and I've been very happy so far. Sometimes results aren't as great, so I just use !g to load Google. But even better, you can search across different websites! For example, !mdn for Mozilla Developer Network, or !yt for YouTube

Another thing you can do is use alternative browsers. On mobile I use Firefox Mobile, which has the benefit of allowing extensions, so you can install uBlock Origin! That makes a gigantic different in mobile web performance. On my laptop I've been using Safari as my main browser because it consumes far less memory, and it seems to handle mountains of tabs a lot better than Chrome.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

#46
post #3

I never really understood why google amp is bad. Can anyone explain the reason why people think its ethically bad?

All else being equal, disabling ads and other javascript bs will speed up most websites, so if Google really cared about speed, they would (also) boost sites which didn't show ads and didn't rely heavily on JS. AMP is about keeping users on google's properties by using content that they didn't create.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the disadvantages (vendor lock-in, not as open, etc) outweigh the advantages (lighter pages, which you can just do without AMP anyway).

But people don't, that's the point of AMP.

If Google prioritized pages which didn't run ads and CPU sucking scripts, people would. Its entirely in their control.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #43

Isn't AMP just an RSS reader for the entire internet? If they solved the URL issue somehow(even if faking the address bar), and had original and AMP links in search; it would probably reduce the antiAMP argument quite a bit. Which both seem to be just UI issues.

Hijacking right and left swipe and the back button are also issues.

Google's attitude that it's "your page" despite the URL and header is complete BS. They clearly hijack it for their own benefit.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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post #23
post #21

I suggest stop using google search altogether. https://duckduckgo.com/ is an excellent search engine and its trivial to make a google search via `!g` prefix when you are not finding what you are looking for.

I moved off of gmail a few months ago, pretty happy about that but man duckduckgo fucking suuuucks. Really wish there was a nonprofit (with a strong privacy policy) wikipedia like .org solution that provided good results.

I always search for things on duckduckgo and basically always find good enough results. I can only guess that everyone who thinks the results are bad has been using Google so much that they get really user-specific results that they like, despite the bubble.
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