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McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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And they accomplished that, by designing symbols that convey no meaning whatsoever.

Symbols, in origin, fundamentally have no meaning.

Yet 99.9999% of the world are no longer babies. So symbols do..not in origin/pouch...have meaning. Why not go with symbols that have inherent meaning rather than unsupplemented ones?

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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McDonalds has a clear conflict of interest in the design of these icons for nutrition information.

I laughed out loud that they settled on red for protein and green for carbs. Isn't red=stop, green=go more universal?

> McDonald’s doesn’t plan to use the individual images by themselves for this reason. “When you present the visuals for the five key nutrients together in full color,” Fairgrieve concludes, “the potentially negative connotations of red fade away.”

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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McDonalds has a clear conflict of interest in the design of these icons for nutrition information.

I laughed out loud that they settled on red for protein and green for carbs. Isn't red=stop, green=go more universal?

Relevant line from TFA:

> Some colors were changed because nutritionist feedback identified red with protein, yellow with fat and green with energy.

Red, I understand. Muscle fibre (what protein builds, in most people's minds) is red. Yellow is fat because fat is, itself—in large enough amounts—a light yellow color. Butter, margarine, liposuction ejecta... etc.

Energy, though, is a bit hard to deduce. Notice that the symbol beside carbs is a gas gauge. Petrol is, in fact, a somewhat-greenish liquid. And I'm guessing petrol was the subliminal metaphor here. You "fill up on" energy like a car fills up on gas; and carbs make you go like gas makes a car go.

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I laughed out loud that they settled on red for protein and green for carbs. Isn't red=stop, green=go more universal?

Relevant line from TFA: > Some colors were changed because nutritionist feedback identified red with protein, yellow with fat and green with energy. Red, I understand. Muscle fibre (what protein builds, in most people's minds) is red. Yellow is fat because fat is , itself—in large enough amounts—a light yellow color. Butter, margarine, liposuction ejecta... etc. Energy, though, is a bit hard to deduce. Notice that th…

It's a gas gauge? I thought it was a weight scale, as in "eating lots of carbs makes you gain weight".

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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McDonalds has a clear conflict of interest in the design of these icons for nutrition information.

> McDonalds has a clear conflict of interest in the design of these icons for nutrition information.

I could understand the point if they'd created McDonald's-specific units (e.g 10 grams of sugar = 1 McVigor). But they're just icons for info that McDonald's makes no effort to hide.

Care to elaborate?

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I frequently travel to non-English speaking countries and am conscious of what I ingest - the attempt to standardize nutrition labeling on an international scale is a great effort!

At this point, no, I don't know what the symbols mean without a legend, but I'm sure at some point in time, not everyone knew that a red octagon on a post means stop.

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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Red=meat, green=plants isn't exactly unintuitive.

My intuition disagrees. Besides, what on earth do carbs have to do with vegetables? If anything, i would expect bread to fill that role.

Bread is made from grass seeds.

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I believe half the point was to design for the use-case where you can't fit a "giant table of words [you] can read & numbers." Where currently the nutritional information ends up in restaurants on e.g. a sheet on the wall instead of on your food, or in grocery stores on product bulk packaging (e.g. cardboard boxes that get thrown away, etc.) instead of on the individual product units. Consider that numbers take up re…

I would suggest that if it can't currently fit then it needs to be rethought if it should be there at all, especially if abbreviations can't be used in whatever language it's required. Icons that are impossible to decipher don't improve anything IMHO. Perhaps they should have gone culturally-specific, something with just the first letter, or anything else that people might locally understand if the word absolutely ca…

Why is it a problem if people can't understand the icons right now? The goal is to slap them on everything, everywhere, for decades. Complete, textual nutrition labels will continue existing where they already do. People will make the mental association when they're looking at their food packaging and see the two kinds of labels, with the same numbers between the two.

Is it a problem that the "floppy disk" symbol for saving documents is now meaningless, since floppy disks are dead? Kids who encounter the icon today, just learn the meaning by rote. To them, it's an opaque language element representing a concept—just like, say, Chinese characters. Humans turn out to be okay at just absorbing the associations of an opaque icon over time, without the icon needing to be specifically evocative (skeuomorphic) of anything. It just needs to be unique.

And re: "it needs to be rethought if it should be there at all"—consider, for example, individual-serving yoghurt snack tubes. What's in them? Who knows? The info is on the box, not on the tube. Can you "count calories" on a lunch containing one? Nope, not unless you wrote down the calories from the box when you were at home. Kind of annoying, no?

Re: McDonald’s Universal Icons for 109 Countries [pdf]

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Don't get me wrong, but I just don't see the point in this. This looks like a pretty in-depth study, why couldn't we use these man hours to create something of actual value? Why does someone care that some people associated an icon with "scary alien"? Just put the icon descriptions somewhere on the page and use circles with a single letter inside for all I care.

> Don't get me wrong, but I just don't see the point in this. This is probably why you aren't running a massively successful multinational company.

You mean a formerly massively successful multinational company that is now on a wild downswing and is bikeshedding almost as badly as marissa meyer designs corporate logos.
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