I guess it's no longer viable to go to protests unarmed. Good to know.
It is very difficult to carry any firearms in DC, NYC, or any of the other major protest spots.
Of course you can. It just isn't legal for most people.
Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington
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#42> He repeatedly kicked Ms. Usoyan, 34, as she lay on the ground. According to New Jersey records, Mr. Yildirim is 50 and manages three companies in that state. Mr. Yildrim does not appear to have diplomatic immunity, so why aren't assault and battery charges being levied against him?
Get this man to the top ^^^
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#43In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…
I was honestly surprised that NYT did such a beautiful in depth analysis of videos and didn't have this video in there. How can you do an in depth research on that incident and not have this vital video? I wonder if with modern machine learning backed algorithms, we can do a semi-decent job at reading some of the lips in that video.
I agree, the analysis is great, but linking to an unedited source video would help remove doubt that things might be shown out of context. If you haven't found one yet, here's one: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/recep-ta...
If the perpetrators of the violence shown in the video are not charged with criminal acts, I think this means we are no longer operating under rule of law.
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#44This same scenario happened last year outside the Brookings Institution. I suspect the reason why there's such good video coverage of this year's attack, is they were ready for it, based on what happened last year.
In the short term, I agree with John McCain, the Turkish ambassador to the U.S. should be expelled over this event.
What precedes all of this is the U.S. supports the YPG, which Erdogan considers a terrorist organization. Pretty much any Kurdish organization is probably considered a terrorist organization to the Turkish government, however. The U.S. supports the YPG, makes Erdogan look weak in that he doesn't have enough sway to get one of their worst domestic political and ethnic enemies disenfranchised by the U.S. so Erdogan retaliates with thugs right in the U.S. capitol to embarrass the Trump (and last year the Obama) adminstration. It's tit for tat.
Long term, is whether a Turkish autocracy, which is what it is now, a viable member in NATO? I think the U.S. looks the other way as long as Turkey helps fight Daesh. But Turkey is now a stain on NATO's democratic origin and purpose.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not stupid, and they most likely have immunity, if they are officially a part of the delegation.
That's my understanding too. Although I believe that the US could ban those individuals from having immunity in the future and eject them from the country, which is certainly what I'd advocate for here.
There's a wiki article somewhere that was brought up when this discussion happened on reddit that states that members of security details aren't usually granted immunity, only consular officials are.
EDIT: I found it [0]
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity#Diplomatic...
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can't change the past, but as an American, my question is what will my government do to protect its citizens and how will it obtain justice for them. Will it even try? Let's hope the fourth estate holds the first three accountable.
I'm guessing nothing will happen. I have no idea if diplomatic immunity applies, but also the president and Erdogan are friendly. And, we have a lot of contempt for protestors in our country.
One wanna-be dictator to another, my guess is nothing will happen.
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#47I guess it's no longer viable to go to protests unarmed. Good to know.
A good thought, and in most states, it would be your Constitutional right to do so. However, carrying a weapon is likely to attract additional attention and there's a good chance you'd wind up dead. You're going against a foreign military trained force, and they're probably not used to seeing a normal citizen exercise their civil liberties in such a way. I think peaceful assembly is probably the best approach, and le…
I am Turkish by origin, but have been living in USA for 7 years.
I could vouch for the fact that it would make them feel threatened. They are definitely not aware of civil liberties and constitutional rights. Heck, they don't even know or understand what freedom of speech is.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm guessing nothing will happen. I have no idea if diplomatic immunity applies, but also the president and Erdogan are friendly. And, we have a lot of contempt for protestors in our country.
One wanna-be dictator to another, my guess is nothing will happen.
Mmm, I think one of them is less of a wannabe than the other. At least so far.
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#49Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?
We can't change the past, but as an American, my question is what will my government do to protect its citizens and how will it obtain justice for them. Will it even try? Let's hope the fourth estate holds the first three accountable.
There is no fourth estate. Wake up.
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#50I guess it's no longer viable to go to protests unarmed. Good to know.
A good thought, and in most states, it would be your Constitutional right to do so. However, carrying a weapon is likely to attract additional attention and there's a good chance you'd wind up dead. You're going against a foreign military trained force, and they're probably not used to seeing a normal citizen exercise their civil liberties in such a way. I think peaceful assembly is probably the best approach, and le…
In NL some Turkish minister turned up to canvas for Erdogan's push for more power and was told to get lost. She persisted with bodyguards in tow and showed up by car (after her plane had been denied landing rights).
Next thing you know there was an arrest squad between her car and the Turkish embassy with instructions to shoot if necessary. They managed to de-escalate the situation and sent madam home mission not accomplished. Never seen anything like that here.