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Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by GauntletWizard »

nappy wrote: post #15
wand3r wrote: post #11

Wow, horrifying. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt for such a tradgedy and the emotional stress and grief it causes; but this is illogical, dangerous and counterproductive. Terrorism seeks to change our way of life and sueing a company for providing a platform for[0] free speech (which those companies actually already curtail) will not only cause problems to this already slippery slope, but simply displace…

Do you think corporations have the right to free speech? Do you think they ought to?

Yes. Anything that a person would be able to say, a group of people should be allowed to get together to say. The much-maligned "Corporate Personhood" is a founding principal of pretty much all of US law, in that it defines a corporation as simply being a proxy for all of it's members.

There are plenty of places where Corporations should currently be being prosecuted for fraud and false advertising. These are places where the people behind them would and should be just as liable for those things (and judges should pierce the corporate veil to prosecute those responsible). This is not those times.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by nappy »

acchow wrote: post #20
nappy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think corporations have the right to free speech? Do you think they ought to?

This isn't about a corporation's free speech. It's about people exercising their free speech using products built by companies.

A corporation spending money to host and spread speech in order to make a profit.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by pyre »

sien wrote: post #38
finid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We started this mess. Recall that we were told that after we get rid of Saddam, that Iraq will become a shinning example for the rest of the ME, and the world. That the guy was such a bad guy that the world will be a far better place without him.

The mess was started a long time age when the Allies stuffed up the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement It is, of course, easy to be wise long after the event.

... or when the Mongols brought about the end of the Golden Age of Islam. ;)

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by sampo »

finid wrote: post #23

Terrorism seeks to change our way of life... That sounds like the "they attacked us because of our freedom". No, pal. Terrorists are pissed off because of what your govt is doing overseas. They're really not interested in your way of life or your freedom.

> No, pal. Terrorists are pissed off because of what your govt is doing overseas.

What about the islamic terrorists attacking in Sweden, Germany, Belgium? Are they also pissed off of what those countries are doing overseas?

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by bduerst »

nappy wrote: post #43
acchow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about a corporation's free speech. It's about people exercising their free speech using products built by companies.

A corporation spending money to host and spread speech in order to make a profit.

Ironic considering a for-profit organization is paying to host and spread your speech right there.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by mgkimsal »

nappy wrote: post #43
acchow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about a corporation's free speech. It's about people exercising their free speech using products built by companies.

A corporation spending money to host and spread speech in order to make a profit.

would you feel radically different if they were suing multiple non-profit/charitable sites that hosted discussion forums and provided communication platforms where this stuff took place?

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by kyledrake »

Section 230, Communications Decency Act, no ISP is liable for what third parties do on their site. There's an intense amount of case law backing it up. This lawsuit will likely be dismissed before they even get to a court. It's amazing to me that people even still try.

There's social media liability insurance you can get just incase someone tries to drag you into a frivolous lawsuit. The cases all get thrown out, but not before potentially $20-50k in legal bills. The insurance is really just there to cover the legal bills until the plaintiff pays it back after dismissal (which can take a while).

If you run a hosting service or a small social network and don't have enough money to hire a staff lawyer, definitely check out getting some liability insurance to protect yourself from crap like this. It runs about $100/mo for a $5k deductible up to $1 million in coverage, but those numbers probably vary a lot.

Re: Families of San Bernardino Shooting Sue Facebook, Google, Twitter

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Post by davidgay »

sien wrote: post #38
finid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We started this mess. Recall that we were told that after we get rid of Saddam, that Iraq will become a shinning example for the rest of the ME, and the world. That the guy was such a bad guy that the world will be a far better place without him.

The mess was started a long time age when the Allies stuffed up the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement It is, of course, easy to be wise long after the event.

While it's tempting to look for a single, recent starting point for Western-Muslim issues, it's also worth mentioning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel (about 1200 years earlier). And then, >350 years later, there's the crusades.
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