A lot of research seems to be going towards what men do wrong. Doing the same "research" on women and generalizing it similarly would of course be considered deeply sexist and misogynist.
Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)
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#42"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do." This is true, but why is it that the shortage of women in technology fields is attributed to them not being accepted or even forced out? Maybe this isn't the general attitude, but I have certainly heard people say that woman aren't in tech as much because they feel unwelcome, whereas when talking about men in thos…
I think it's a double-standard. When women underachieve in any area, we assume discrimination is the culprit, or we at least say there is some system that is failing them. When men underachieve, it's because they're "not able to adapt" or we blame it on "toxic masculinity" (for example, when boys do worse in school, we make negative implications, but years after graduation when women receive a lower salary, we assume discrimination even in the presence of strong contradictory evidence).
This isn't meant to be read as defensive; just a social observation.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Badly. Education processes are not built around learning, nor around meta-learning (learning how to learn new information). Education is still built largely around _retaining_, testing, and hoarding knowledge, without interest in discovery or the processes that created knowledge. This medieval mindset holds back much of the education system. A larger essay on many of the problems and sources of these problems: http:/…
But I don't think that was the author's intention. Uneducated would have sufficed.
I don't think undereducation is correct here. You could spend 50 years re-experiencing K-12 education in America and that will not earn you skills that are simply not taught there.
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#44I hoped reading this would provide insight, but instead it only offered some random eassywriter's disdain of people different from him/herself.
I'm not seeing the disdain, admittedly I'm only halfway through this ~10,000 word essay (impressive how fast you and sibs read it and fact checked its numerous data points and determined that it lacked insight/integrity btw).
Can you cite some specific examples of the authors disdainful attitude?
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#45"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do." This is true, but why is it that the shortage of women in technology fields is attributed to them not being accepted or even forced out? Maybe this isn't the general attitude, but I have certainly heard people say that woman aren't in tech as much because they feel unwelcome, whereas when talking about men in thos…
Probably because when you ask women in those fields, they mention feeling unwelcome.
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#46It's a little unclear in the article why unemployment should lead to this family structure of single mothers having kids with three different fathers (US family law strongly favors motherly custodyy), until this:
"For many men in Tallulah, the greatest obstacle to finding a job is that they have already fallen foul of the law. ...And here the falling fortunes of working-class men do further damage. In 1960, among never-married American adults aged 25-34, there were 139 men with jobs for every 100 women, with or without jobs. ...By 2012 there were only 91 employed men for every 100 women in this group. ...Even a small imbalance can have big effects. Imagine a simplified “mating market” consisting of ten men and ten women, all heterosexual. Everyone pairs up. Now take one man away. One woman is doomed to be single, so she may opt to poach another woman’s partner. A chain reaction ensues: all the women are suddenly less secure in their relationships. Some of the men, by contrast, become tempted to play the field rather than settle down. In most rich countries the supply of eligible blue-collar men does not match demand. Among black Americans, thanks to mass incarceration, it does not come close. For every 100 African-American women aged 25-54 who are not behind bars, there are only 83 men of the same age at liberty."
Even more reason for "ban the box" https://www.vox.com/2015/11/2/9660282/obama-ban-the-box
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#47I hoped reading this would provide insight, but instead it only offered some random eassywriter's disdain of people different from him/herself.
I work with a dude who is 50 from Michigan. It's amazing to hear stories of what an American lifestyle in the 70's and 80's was like. With 40,000 income he could buy a house, a vacation house in northern Michigan, a boat and two great vacations a year. Its hard to admit standards of living are decreasing. There is def a lot of blame to go around. I agree one should not be disdainful of people who are different. This…
This article is NOT "the red team vs blue team logic", it's data driven, dispassionate reporting, which gp is projecting partisan bias because they just don't like the conclusions it's finding.
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#48"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do." This is true, but why is it that the shortage of women in technology fields is attributed to them not being accepted or even forced out? Maybe this isn't the general attitude, but I have certainly heard people say that woman aren't in tech as much because they feel unwelcome, whereas when talking about men in thos…
It's because of the direction of the power inequality. Women are pushed out of tech by misogyny, both unconscious bias and conscious hate. This does not apply in reverse to men in female dominated fields. What does apply is fragile masculinity.
In addition, fields with high female participation are systematically devalued and underpaid, and men may be leaving them for greener pastures.
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#49Then free public college would be nice, wouldn't it?
"Free"
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
No good ever comes out of going down this rabbit hole.
Yeah, god forbid people say anything that goes against the assumptions of du jour, which should be permanently set in stone...
I mean, we have this conversation thread like every third day. I'm not sure that there's anything left to be said that hasn't been beaten into the ground, over, and over, and over. Nobody is convincing anybody, we'll just yell at each other for a while. Maybe that makes some people happy.