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What makes a genius?

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Re: What makes a genius?

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For anyone who came to this article hoping it might contain any actual concrete or interesting information about the nature of human intelligence: it doesn't. Go ahead and skip the read. The article is just a tiresome romanticized rehash of the myth of genius and the associated pop-science.

> For anyone who came to this article hoping it might contain any actual concrete or interesting information about the nature of human intelligence: it doesn't. Go ahead and skip the read.

Complete agreement. It's easy to detect fluff articles on the topic of genius -- they tend to include pictures of tissue samples taken of Einstein's brain, the presence of which can only confess how little we know.

Re: What makes a genius?

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And, as usual, a central aspect is absent. The social/historical environment. Any individual's performance, in whatever aspect of human activity being considered, is closely dependent on, some would even say produced by, its context. Closed contexts foster waste, open contexts foster creativity. Essentializing intelligence, or problem-solving, is way of perpetuating closed contexts.

Re: What makes a genius?

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I really don't like the popular concept of "genius". It's divisive and trivialises the accomplishments and struggles of people who aren't "geniuses".

I disagree. Calling someone a genius and someone else not is akin to calling someone a terrific athlete or not. Your excellence in no way diminishes the value of my attempts. It does put my success (or lack there of) into perspective and gives me a meter for what excellence looks like. That's a good thing, though. Having something higher to strive for, and knowing that it's possible to do better, is a significant fac…

Yeah, seriously. How is it any more divisive than calling somebody "seven feet tall"? Verrrrrrrrry few people reach that height, yet it would be laughable to suggest that their presence on a basketball team somehow diminishes the accomplishments of people of average height.

Re: What makes a genius?

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The problem with the term "genius" is that it's emotionally fraught but has no practical definition. One of the few things psychologists got right was a decision in the 1960s to avoid use of the term in I.Q. assessments (a decision that has sadly been swept away over a period of decades).

Source: "Our Genius Problem" (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/12/our-gen...)

Quote: "At this point in history genius has become a commodity, an ambition, and even a lifestyle. Biographers, scholars, critics, and fans spend untold hours trying to nail down a concept that can't be nailed down, to identify a proof or a marker the way scientists identify genes." (emphasis added)

My humble suggestion is to avoid terms like "genius" and focus instead on what a person does with his/her gifts.

Re: What makes a genius?

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I tried to tease out the "meat" of the article excluding the filler as follows. It's mostly the same old cliches - nothing new.

* What makes a genius? We don't know the answer, but science offers some clues. There isn't likely to be a single factor, since genius is too elusive a concept. But intelligence, creativity, perseverance, and good fortune may be a few factors that contribute to it.

* Intelligence is often considered a crucial factor. Lewis Terman at the Stanford University tracked the careers of a 1500 high IQ school kids. Many of them did turn out to be successes. But IQ in itself was not a guarantee - some high IQ people struggled to thrive, whereas others who didn't make the cut went on to win Nobel prizes.

* Creativity: the aha moment often emerges after a period of contemplation. Information comes in consciously, but the problem is processed unconsciously, the resulting solution leaping out when the mind least expects it. The creative process relies on the interplay of... different parts of the brain at once—both the right and left hemispheres and especially regions in the prefrontal cortex.

* Jazz musicians' brain scans during improvising: the internal network, associated with self-expression, showed increased activity, while the outer network, linked to focused attention and also self-censoring, quieted down. “It’s almost as if the brain turned off its own ability to criticize itself".

* One sign of creativity is being able to make connections between seemingly disparate concepts. Richer communication between areas of the brain may help make those intuitive leaps possible.

* As per an ongoing study, in creative people's brains: “...there’s more communication going on between the left and the right hemispheres, which one might expect in people who are highly creative”. “There’s more flexibility in their thought processes, more contributions from different parts of the brain.”

* Genetic potential alone does not predict actual accomplishment. It also takes nurture to grow a genius. Social and cultural influences can provide that nourishment, creating clusters of genius at moments and places in history: Baghdad during Islam’s Golden Age, Kolkata during the Bengal Renaissance, Silicon Valley today.

* “grit”—drives people to achieve. Duckworth, ...says the concept of genius is too easily cloaked in layers of magic, as if great achievement erupts spontaneously with no hard work. She believes there are differences when it comes to individual talent, but no matter how brilliant a person, fortitude and discipline are critical to success. “When you really look at somebody who accomplishes something great,” she says, “it is not effortless.”

* Prodigious productivity is a defining characteristic of genius. “Most articles published in the sciences are never cited by anybody,” says Simonton. “Most compositions are not recorded. Most works of art aren’t displayed.” Thomas Edison invented the phonograph and the first commercially viable light bulb, but these were just two of the thousand-plus U.S. patents he was awarded.

* Biological traits: “In the same way that Mozart may have had extraordinary hearing,” says Ausubel, “Leonardo appears to have had extraordinary visual acuity.”

Re: What makes a genius?

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I disagree. Calling someone a genius and someone else not is akin to calling someone a terrific athlete or not. Your excellence in no way diminishes the value of my attempts. It does put my success (or lack there of) into perspective and gives me a meter for what excellence looks like. That's a good thing, though. Having something higher to strive for, and knowing that it's possible to do better, is a significant fac…

Yeah, seriously. How is it any more divisive than calling somebody "seven feet tall"? Verrrrrrrrry few people reach that height, yet it would be laughable to suggest that their presence on a basketball team somehow diminishes the accomplishments of people of average height.

Because height is a spectrum and easily and accurately quantifiable, whereas "genius" is neither.

Re: What makes a genius?

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I enjoyed this article, except for one section. The author's basic attitude toward genius. It's flawed on a few fronts.

Genius is not being remembered. That's irrelevant.

Education. The author states the lack of female geniuses through a lack of education. How does education explain Srinivasa Iyengar Ramanujan? It doesn't. Like all geniuses, they push the envelope intuitively, bit by copying others.

It's a fun read. However, I fear the author misses the fundamental nature of genius.

Re: What makes a genius?

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, seriously. How is it any more divisive than calling somebody "seven feet tall"? Verrrrrrrrry few people reach that height, yet it would be laughable to suggest that their presence on a basketball team somehow diminishes the accomplishments of people of average height.

Because height is a spectrum and easily and accurately quantifiable, whereas "genius" is neither.

Genius is not a spectrum, but neither is "seven feet tall". If you're looking for something to compare to height, look at IQ.

Re: What makes a genius?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of mathematical accomplishments, there is an objective way to predict people's future possibilities: How young and how well does the person do in International Math Olympiads? These Fields medalists all fit the pattern: Maryam Mirzakhani, Grigori Perelman, Terence Tao. Check out others at IMO Hall of Fame--all top listers I checked are doing very well, although many of them are still young and studying. […

What portion of gifted children participate in the math Olympiad?

I am not an expert and I don't have the numbers, but not all "gifted" are talented in mathematics. Also the study of the field of mathematics is a task of endurance and slow but steady work, this is something the highest tier gifted (profoundly gifted) tend to suck at even with proper disipline training, but the profoundly gifted is so few in number that they don't really have an effect on the percentage.

Gifted often have one or more of the five overexcitabilities, one of those are Intellectual overexcitability, one can guess that a notable part of gifted who participate got Intellectual overexcitability, then you can make a guess that ca 20% of gifted got Intellectual overexcitability, that 50% fail to get that far in school because of the problems gifted face, then 30% from those gifted living in shitty enviroments that stops them from learning about the joy of mathematics and then 50% of those in turn actually puts in the time to learn mathematics, then 25% is actually good enough to enter so maybe: 0,375%

The education system really sucks for gifted kids, especially highly giften, exceptionally gifted and profoundly gifted, the mildly gifted and moderately gifted can be helped alot by the imperfect solution of being moved up a few classes.

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