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What programming languages are used late at night?

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Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by var_explained »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #37
cies wrote: post #28

What language people learn out of own motivation, vs what languages people do for pay. I'd say based on this graph it, and knowing Haskell myself, that choosing Haskell is still a viable way to attract talent. (that Haskell-spike in the animated chart half through the article is... opportunity I guess)

Just be aware that the animation makes it look like everyone is using Haskell in the evening. That's false and caused by normalization. Other languages are still more used.

That's right: Haskell is disproportionately used in the evenings, but it's not highly used at any time. You can see in the 4th graph that of the 250 languages considered, Haskell is one of the lowest traffic.

Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by shakna »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #11
falcolas wrote: post #2

Otherwise written as "what programming languages are being asked about late at night." To me, who rarely pulls up SO, correlating SO questions and page views with usage is a bit biased.

Whoah! The big news for me is that there is a programmer who rarely uses SO. I use it constantly. Can you say more about: 1. What your programming set up is. 2. What you do when there is an issue? I didn't know there was a reasonable alternative. I do the Google -> SO a lot. The only time Google brings up a different page is if the question is REALLY basic like how to use a function. Edit: added this postscript: I ha…

Not the GP, but I don't use SO much. Maybe two or three times a year.

For why?

SO tends to be problem solving around programming patterns or unclear errors.

In the languages I have the most experience in, I don't need either. I can usually just reason out a solution to any problem that crops up. I know how to debug, and reduce problems "fluently" in those languages.

Most problems get solved in the time it takes to make a cup of coffee.

Secondly, if you're looking at patterns, like "do x in y", then for new patterns, RosettaCode tends to give you all you need, but if it's a somewhat familiar pattern, it shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes with no guides.

But, truth in it all, SO just isn't that useful for the problems I come up against.

Recent example: Is a Associated List or UNORDERED_map more memory effecient under GCC?

Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by eru »

thepratt wrote: post #38
27182818284 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was similar to my thinking. I chuckled a bit when I saw so much of what I think folks would consider corporate tool-sets like VBA being used in the day compared to like Haskell (that I've never seen in the professional world but know several people that hack around in it) being written at night. Kind of a fun chart.

The biggest player using Haskell would be Google.

There have been a bunch of 20% projects; but only recently have they started any full-time Haskell work, as far as I know.

Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by unit91 »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #11
falcolas wrote: post #2

Otherwise written as "what programming languages are being asked about late at night." To me, who rarely pulls up SO, correlating SO questions and page views with usage is a bit biased.

Whoah! The big news for me is that there is a programmer who rarely uses SO. I use it constantly. Can you say more about: 1. What your programming set up is. 2. What you do when there is an issue? I didn't know there was a reasonable alternative. I do the Google -> SO a lot. The only time Google brings up a different page is if the question is REALLY basic like how to use a function. Edit: added this postscript: I ha…

I also almost never get on SO anymore, but I used to all the time. For me, SO was really great when I was a beginner (After enough pain, I've decided that stability is probably the most important feature of a tool. Clojure, ClojureScript, MySQL, and Mongo fit that bill perfectly for me. When looking at libraries and APIs, I try to get a gut-sense of how stable they are, and I never upgrade if my only reason for upgrading is there's a new version number out there. Also, I make a lot of sub-projects, so that any breaking-change upgrades I need to make for legitimate business reasons are isolated to one .jar.

I'm also an Ubuntu -> Mac convert for the same reason. My time is just too valuable these days to lose money on tooling, and that keeps me off SO. :-)

Please don't take this as "SO is bad" -- I think it's really great, and have answered several questions there, voted in elections, etc.. But these days, experience and stability in tooling have the side-effect of not much SO time.

Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by cstrahan »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #11
falcolas wrote: post #2

Otherwise written as "what programming languages are being asked about late at night." To me, who rarely pulls up SO, correlating SO questions and page views with usage is a bit biased.

Whoah! The big news for me is that there is a programmer who rarely uses SO. I use it constantly. Can you say more about: 1. What your programming set up is. 2. What you do when there is an issue? I didn't know there was a reasonable alternative. I do the Google -> SO a lot. The only time Google brings up a different page is if the question is REALLY basic like how to use a function. Edit: added this postscript: I ha…

Not the person you were replying to, but...

I don't use SO much, either. My professional work (presently) consists of two things:

1. Writing web services (can't go into much more detail)

2. Developing (what will soon be released as) an open source framework for service orchestration (also can't go into much more detail)

This is all written in Go.

Technologies used: MongoDB, Kafka, gRPC, REST/HTTP

I'm familiar enough with the semantics/specification of the above tech, so most of the unknowns boil down to (occasional) lack of familiarity with the libs used. In that case, I'll occasionally read the documentation; more often I'll read the generated godocs; and most often I'll just grep/peruse through the code for a couple minutes, and then I'm set for the next couple weeks.

Granted, I have used SO more in the past. In those cases, it was because of stuff like futzing around with Grunt/Gulp in a JS project, or dealing with APIs trying to be too cute via metaprogramming (Ruby, I'm looking at you), etc. It calls to mind a quote[1] that resonates quite well with me:

"One reason people's skills plateau is because they try to master simplifying extrinsic complexity, and not intrinsic complexity."

[1]: https://twitter.com/shajra/status/746334265051226119

Re: What programming languages are used late at night?

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

thepratt wrote: post #38
27182818284 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was similar to my thinking. I chuckled a bit when I saw so much of what I think folks would consider corporate tool-sets like VBA being used in the day compared to like Haskell (that I've never seen in the professional world but know several people that hack around in it) being written at night. Kind of a fun chart.

The biggest player using Haskell would be Google.

Microsoft and Facebook are also using Haskell in production.
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