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iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

bruceboughton wrote: post #36
louismg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on this comment 100%. I think Android is going to have more handsets, manufacturers, carriers, and eventually users. Their products are going to continually improve. The recent past has shown momentum on the innovation side that is lapping iPhone, I believe. I don't think iPhone is going to open up at quite a rate.

Everyone seems to think that Android will eventually dominate the market because "the products are going to continually improve". Guess what, so is iPhone. Apple have made it clear that this is their primary business. They're in it to win it. This is not Google's primary business--it is a loss leader to support that business. I think it's far from inevitable that Android will win out (pettiness of the Apple vs. Googl…

I look forward to iPhone getting better. I understand your viewpoints as well. I hope the original article did not sound petty. That was not the intent.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by Tichy »

jonah wrote: post #24
Osiris wrote: post #11

I think it's great that Apple puts so much effort into usability and aesthetics. They put a lot of polish onto their devices and apps that put almost everyone else to shame. It's true that the iPhone was a game changer. It's not surprising to see other companies stepping up to the challenge. As an Android user (myTouch, 128MB RAM sucks), I often wish for the polish of the iPhone and for access to some much better app…

I'd like to see an Android phone with the materials and build quality of the iPhone 4. They're at a point now where the electronics are powerful enough (for the time being). Additionally with the hiring of the Palm UX team the 2.3+ user experience is sure to receive some much needed polish. Now can someone build a phone with the materials and production refinement shown in the iPhone which is a BMW to the Android's H…

You fell for the marketing. Apple shows all these amazing robots and processes assembling the iPhone. What do you think the competition uses, do they carve their phones out of stones with toothpicks? They have advanced production tools, too.

The N1 is a really nice phone - I prefer it to the iPhone 3G. The phone makers will continue to better each other, from keynote to keynote. Now Apple has the lead again (in some aspects), in a couple of months, there will be a cooler Android device, and so on.

Notice how a lot of the Apple marketing dwells on the production processes, which are completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the phone's body was hand carved by dwarves from middle earth out of Mithril, self-assembled by nano robots or cut out of aluminium in a single piece. What matters is that the end result works and looks nice.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by dejb »

gmlk wrote: post #16

Why is it so hard to understand? Apple's objective isn't to become the largest. Apple does not see this as a winner-take-all platform war. Apple's core values are all about it's ability to change things, it's ability to think different, it's ability to move forward without obstacles. Apple wants to make, and sell, the best and most beautiful devices they can imagine. For that they don't need to "own the market", thei…

> Apple only needs two things: (one) An open market of multiple competing platforms with shared open standards and protocols so that devices can work together.

Share open standards? They won't even accept any other language for apps other than Objective-C? They have deliberately closed down any possibility for developers to be able to reuse code inside and outside of their platform. If they were really interested in an open market they'd be embracing efforts to port software to and from their OS.

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Post by chrisbolt »

rebelvc wrote: post #27

Why Verizon Don't Have the iPhone: http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/28/technology/verizon_iphone/in... New standards are coming in next year. Makes little sense for Apple to make a CDMA phone now.

It's not like they can sell a Verizon iPhone without CDMA right after Verizon launches a 4G network. Without backwards compatibility there would be no coverage, it would be worse than AT&T.

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Post by dagw »

hinting wrote: post #23
louismg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea how it got to the top of the list. As I said elsewhere, I've talked a lot about Android and iPhone lately already, so I didn't think I needed to recap that here. Sorry if it seemed shallow. Quick summary echoed elsewhere: What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features. What I also see is Android having more handsets, more manufacturers and carriers, and eventually more users.

What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features. Assuming you're the author of the article, you're clearly not paying attention. Show me the android phone that has a 326 dpi screen, a 9mm case, an outrageously good battery life, or the attention to detail that a design-driven company like Apple puts into its products. If you're not willing to admit these things, you're not having an hones…

Where are you getting "outrageously good battery life" from. The number I've seen from Apple is 40% improvement. 40% better than barely usable is hardly "outrageously good".

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Post by masklinn »

Osiris wrote: post #11

I think it's great that Apple puts so much effort into usability and aesthetics. They put a lot of polish onto their devices and apps that put almost everyone else to shame. It's true that the iPhone was a game changer. It's not surprising to see other companies stepping up to the challenge. As an Android user (myTouch, 128MB RAM sucks), I often wish for the polish of the iPhone and for access to some much better app…

> I can tether via USB or WiFi

USB and Bluetooth tethering available on the iPhone

> install apps from websites without using the Market

True.

> and use free turn-by-turn navigation all while while taking a phone call

Always been available on the iPhone, you can do whatever you want while taking a call. With iOS 4, users will be able to do even more.

> With Android I feel like I have freedom to do what I want

Yeah especially when you don't know what you can do on an iPhone, I find that interesting.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by gmlk »

dejb wrote: post #43
gmlk wrote: post #16

Why is it so hard to understand? Apple's objective isn't to become the largest. Apple does not see this as a winner-take-all platform war. Apple's core values are all about it's ability to change things, it's ability to think different, it's ability to move forward without obstacles. Apple wants to make, and sell, the best and most beautiful devices they can imagine. For that they don't need to "own the market", thei…

> Apple only needs two things: (one) An open market of multiple competing platforms with shared open standards and protocols so that devices can work together. Share open standards? They won't even accept any other language for apps other than Objective-C? They have deliberately closed down any possibility for developers to be able to reuse code inside and outside of their platform. If they were really interested in…

I wrote: "shared open standards ... so that devices can work together". Context matters.

The whole concept of a multi-platform framework is anti-innovation, anti-diversity: Its only purpose is to generalize, to make make everything uniform and the same by removing everything special, removing that which differentiates, that which makes the difference. It's about "think alike", "Move together".

Small wonder Apple doesn't accept it.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by 10ren »

louismg wrote: post #38
10ren wrote: post #35

Do android phones have multi-touch, or do apple patents prevent this? I'm working on UI trees that can be rearranged with the mouse. It works OK, though a little awkward. I think with a touch screen, it would be incredibly intutive - like rearranging physical blocks.

Android did not initially support multi-touch. It does now.

thanks

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by Osiris »

masklinn wrote: post #47
Osiris wrote: post #11

I think it's great that Apple puts so much effort into usability and aesthetics. They put a lot of polish onto their devices and apps that put almost everyone else to shame. It's true that the iPhone was a game changer. It's not surprising to see other companies stepping up to the challenge. As an Android user (myTouch, 128MB RAM sucks), I often wish for the polish of the iPhone and for access to some much better app…

> I can tether via USB or WiFi USB and Bluetooth tethering available on the iPhone > install apps from websites without using the Market True. > and use free turn-by-turn navigation all while while taking a phone call Always been available on the iPhone, you can do whatever you want while taking a call. With iOS 4, users will be able to do even more. > With Android I feel like I have freedom to do what I want Yeah es…

Those were just some examples. My biggest point was the freedom of phone hardware and carrier.

Also, from everything I've read, AT&T has never supported tethering, and Google Maps doesn't have Navigation on the iPhone.

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