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Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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There are apparently already a bunch of small companies in China making EPDs (electrophoretic display, the "generic name" and associated components; E-Ink is just one company/trademark) so the end of the monopoly may be near, and prices may drop enough to make them as commonly available as LCDs.

I wouldn't count on it. There are still many manufacturing difficulties to overcome before making large format electrophoretics cheaper.

Interesting. Could you perhaps elaborate further, or point towards any sources re manufacturering difficulties?

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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One of my favorite stories about genetic algorithms is how they made an e ink display work. Taken from a Stack Overflow thread:

>In January 2004, I was contacted by Philips New Display Technologies who were creating the electronics for the first ever commercial e-ink, the Sony Librie, who had only been released in Japan, years before Amazon Kindle and the others hit the market in US an Europe.

>The Philips engineers had a major problem. A few months before the product was supposed to hit the market, they were still getting ghosting on the screen when changing pages. The problem was the 200 drivers that were creating the electrostatic field. Each of these drivers had a certain voltage that had to be set right between zero and 1000 mV or something like this. But if you changed one of them, it would change everything.

>So optimizing each driver's voltage individually was out of the question. The number of possible combination of values was in billions,and it took about 1 minute for a special camera to evaluate a single combination. The engineers had tried many standard optimization techniques, but nothing would come close.

>The head engineer contacted me because I had previously released a Genetic Programming library to the open-source community. He asked if GP/GA's would help and if I could get involved. I did, and for about a month we worked together, me writing and tuning the GA library, on synthetic data, and him integrating it into their system. Then, one weekend they let it run live with the real thing.

>The following Monday I got these glowing emails from him and their hardware designer, about how nobody could believe the amazing results the GA found. This was it. Later that year the product hit the market.

>I didn't get paid one cent for it, but I got 'bragging' rights. They said from the begining they were already over budget, so I knew what the deal was before I started working on it. And it's a great story for applications of GAs. :)

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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A little bulky I think. Not something I would casually drop into my backpack.

Are we looking at the same video? The video should be the Onyx BOOX Typewriter. It's the size of a tablet and a keyboard cover. It's a HUGE improvement over the last entry I saw in this space, the hemingwrite[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfbhcddyb8Q

Sure, huge improvement here.

I suppose if they cut out the entire touchpad area to reduce the depth, and reshape the screen to size that would be the form-factor I'm looking for. Something between what they have done and the old PPC from HP: http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/curtismc/jornada.htm

Also I would very much prefer that there was no other software on the device. I have enough distractions as it is.

That said, I would probably still buy this if I could.

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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One of my favorite stories about genetic algorithms is how they made an e ink display work. Taken from a Stack Overflow thread: >In January 2004, I was contacted by Philips New Display Technologies who were creating the electronics for the first ever commercial e-ink, the Sony Librie, who had only been released in Japan, years before Amazon Kindle and the others hit the market in US an Europe. >The Philips engineers…

Link: http://stackoverflow.com/a/3692882

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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Are we looking at the same video? The video should be the Onyx BOOX Typewriter. It's the size of a tablet and a keyboard cover. It's a HUGE improvement over the last entry I saw in this space, the hemingwrite[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfbhcddyb8Q

Sure, huge improvement here. I suppose if they cut out the entire touchpad area to reduce the depth, and reshape the screen to size that would be the form-factor I'm looking for. Something between what they have done and the old PPC from HP: http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/curtismc/jornada.htm Also I would very much prefer that there was no other software on the device. I have enough distractions as it is. That said,…

Ah, I see. I think your comment about 'Not something I would casually drop into my backpack' is what threw me. You want something you can slip into a pocket. I had an HP Jornada 680 and a Nokia N800 with a bluetooth keyboard back in the day. They weren't as useful as I would have liked. Editing even plain text prose was difficult.

Personally, I'd love a galaxy s8+ sized phone with an eink display, but I think the best I'm going to get is either a DPT-RP1 hacked to take a bluetooth keyboard or the good e-reader tablet. Then again, I prefer a full android operating system to a single app locked down model. Maybe you could convince the hemingwrite/freewrite people to come up with something a little more portable?

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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Sure, huge improvement here. I suppose if they cut out the entire touchpad area to reduce the depth, and reshape the screen to size that would be the form-factor I'm looking for. Something between what they have done and the old PPC from HP: http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/curtismc/jornada.htm Also I would very much prefer that there was no other software on the device. I have enough distractions as it is. That said,…

Ah, I see. I think your comment about 'Not something I would casually drop into my backpack' is what threw me. You want something you can slip into a pocket. I had an HP Jornada 680 and a Nokia N800 with a bluetooth keyboard back in the day. They weren't as useful as I would have liked. Editing even plain text prose was difficult. Personally, I'd love a galaxy s8+ sized phone with an eink display, but I think the bes…

Yeah, Jornada 680 would be too small, hence why I said "between".

Imagine the baby macbook with it's touchpad area cut off. So basically just a keyboard and an equally-size ink screen on top of it. I can imagine myself going to the park near my house and writing prose sitting on the bench. Ain't happening with the laptop.

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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Recently, I tried to contact E-Ink, hoping to get information for an architectural use of some of their supposed products. I couldn't get any real information, conceptual pricing, development kit, summary of capabilities, or anything useful out of their sales staff. I repeatedly explained, I am a well capitalized entrepreneur wanting to incorporate some of their tech into my properties at scale, and that I have a dev…

It's not e-ink but we have a pretty cool (imho) "alternative" display that might be worth a look for one of your projects: https://breakfastny.com/flip-disc/

Can you give more info on pricing without me having to request a quote, or is this a "if you have to ask" kind of deal?

Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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Recently, I tried to contact E-Ink, hoping to get information for an architectural use of some of their supposed products. I couldn't get any real information, conceptual pricing, development kit, summary of capabilities, or anything useful out of their sales staff. I repeatedly explained, I am a well capitalized entrepreneur wanting to incorporate some of their tech into my properties at scale, and that I have a dev…

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Re: Building a simple e-ink display from scratch

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Recently, I tried to contact E-Ink, hoping to get information for an architectural use of some of their supposed products. I couldn't get any real information, conceptual pricing, development kit, summary of capabilities, or anything useful out of their sales staff. I repeatedly explained, I am a well capitalized entrepreneur wanting to incorporate some of their tech into my properties at scale, and that I have a dev…

Good Display is a Chinese Vendor that seems a little more transparent.

http://m.good-display.com/products_list/&pmcId=160&productCa...

You can buy a demo kit which features a STM32F1 and source code. You can also buy individual screens.

I've messed around with the demo board a year or so ago.

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