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Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by coldtea » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

sqeaky wrote: post #38

devoply wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's a question of framing. If America is in fact world's police man who protect the rights and freedom of all citizens of the world then America routinely bombs its own Arab citizens and destroys millions of lives to protect their rights.

Even from that perspective the US still doesn't use chemical weapons on people. The only use of weapons of mass destruction by the US was in WWII, and nukes weren't consider off limits yet. Since then we helped to get them banned in as many places as possible, and in general find them too indiscriminate. Just like the world community agreed chemicals were a bad idea after WWI. Countries using the WMDs use them once i…

>Even from that perspective the US still doesn't use chemical weapons on people.

No, just atomic bombs, agent orange, napalms, drones, depleted uranium, and diseases...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by CapitalistCartr » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 4:40 PM UTC

erghw4u34567 wrote: post #40

hackermailman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a large blackmarket in Mexico for firearms not all of these are going exclusively to cartels they sell them at 2-3x the price to whoever locally. Same in Canada, weapons smuggling is rampant because US truck drivers can stop off in a state that has no maximum buy limits and get a dozen handguns to sell at double the price once they cross the border.

Unless that truck driver is a resident of the state in question, no, they can't. Handguns can't be purchased unless you are a legal resident of the state. This applies to every state in the US.

Only in theory. Here in Florida, the traffic in undocumented firearms is huge. Websites for selling, flea markets, gun shows every month, etc. Most states are similar.

--NRA member

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by devoply » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 4:43 PM UTC

sqeaky wrote: post #38

devoply wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's a question of framing. If America is in fact world's police man who protect the rights and freedom of all citizens of the world then America routinely bombs its own Arab citizens and destroys millions of lives to protect their rights.

Even from that perspective the US still doesn't use chemical weapons on people. The only use of weapons of mass destruction by the US was in WWII, and nukes weren't consider off limits yet. Since then we helped to get them banned in as many places as possible, and in general find them too indiscriminate. Just like the world community agreed chemicals were a bad idea after WWI. Countries using the WMDs use them once i…

Again framing:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-d...

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by dmix » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 4:44 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #22

Here's episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9krnFldmkE

(Spanish with no subtitles)

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by frozenport » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 5:04 PM UTC

devoply wrote: post #43

sqeaky wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even from that perspective the US still doesn't use chemical weapons on people. The only use of weapons of mass destruction by the US was in WWII, and nukes weren't consider off limits yet. Since then we helped to get them banned in as many places as possible, and in general find them too indiscriminate. Just like the world community agreed chemicals were a bad idea after WWI. Countries using the WMDs use them once i…

Again framing: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-d...

I'm calling bullshit on your train of thought. Frame ain't reality, buddy. The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by tomc1985 » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 5:18 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #21

tomc1985 wrote: post #4

It's a shame the video linked to is blocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9krnFldmkE

Thanks!

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by devoply » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 5:22 PM UTC

frozenport wrote: post #45

devoply wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again framing: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/the-united-states-used-d...

I'm calling bullshit on your train of thought. Frame ain't reality, buddy. The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.

We were talking about using WMDs. When I in fact showed that WMDs were used in the same country by perhaps your country you changed the target to Assad. Well okay, again framing:

> The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq,

The Iraq war would qualify as the BIGGEST factor in inspiring chaos in Iraq.

> then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.

Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. This began as a small movement during Arab spring which was mainly due to food price problems which were out of Assad's control due to the global economy. The situation has totally deteriorated due to American intervention, as it always does. If America never supported the so-called freedom fights, significant human life and livelihood would've been spared.

In the end I don't believe any one in the situation is a good guy. They're all scumbags playing realpolitik.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by weston » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 5:59 PM UTC

hourislate wrote: post #14

It's interesting why Canada has not suffered the same fate as Mexico? Could it have something to do with a Government that believes in the rule of law and a citizenry that respects that? If I were to lay blame on anyone then I would have to lay it at the feet of the Mexican Government. There corruption has no boundaries. They bleed the Nation of not only it's wealth but it's future. It's easy to play the victim and b…

Canada actually has a lot of organized crime (Sicilian & Calabrian mafia groups as well as biker gangs like the Hells Angels), it just isn't reported on much in the States. Not all drugs flow through Mexico: Cocaine often moves across the Atlantic from South America directly to the port cities of Toronto, Montreal, and Hamilton. Interestingly enough a lot of that cocaine then flows south to the US from Canada to cities like New York and Detroit.

The US-Canada border is more than twice the size of the US-Mexico border, yet has only 1/10th the amount of Border Patrol agents.

Canada has very lax anti-organized crime laws compared to the US, which is why the mafia has been able to thrive up there. Google the Rizzuto crime family for more info.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by davidw » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 6:08 PM UTC

weston wrote: post #48

hourislate wrote: post #14

It's interesting why Canada has not suffered the same fate as Mexico? Could it have something to do with a Government that believes in the rule of law and a citizenry that respects that? If I were to lay blame on anyone then I would have to lay it at the feet of the Mexican Government. There corruption has no boundaries. They bleed the Nation of not only it's wealth but it's future. It's easy to play the victim and b…

Canada actually has a lot of organized crime (Sicilian & Calabrian mafia groups as well as biker gangs like the Hells Angels), it just isn't reported on much in the States. Not all drugs flow through Mexico: Cocaine often moves across the Atlantic from South America directly to the port cities of Toronto, Montreal, and Hamilton. Interestingly enough a lot of that cocaine then flows south to the US from Canada to citi…

It's almost like... if there's a market for something, people will find a way to satisfy that demand.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by mercurial » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 6:18 PM UTC

devoply wrote: post #47

frozenport wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm calling bullshit on your train of thought. Frame ain't reality, buddy. The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight any minor US involvement.

We were talking about using WMDs. When I in fact showed that WMDs were used in the same country by perhaps your country you changed the target to Assad. Well okay, again framing: > The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, The Iraq war would qualify as the BIGGEST factor in inspiring chaos in Iraq. > then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight…

> Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country.

I think you are widely overestimating both the US involvement and its degree of control over the actors it has links to. I'd be surprised if the main sponsors of the various anti-Assad factions (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) had anything like firm control of the factions they are funding.