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Photoshop is not a verb

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Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by tsomctl »

robotresearcher wrote: post #9

It doesn't matter what the actual status of the word in common usage is, they just have to show they are attempting to protect the trademark so that they can litigate to protect it in specific instances. Adobe thoroughly enjoys the fact that 'photoshop' is synonymous with image editing. They just have to pretend otherwise. See also band-aid, aspirin, Hoover, Kleenex. (iOS capitalized the last two but not the first tw…

Their legal department might disapprove of it, but their marketing department loves it.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

jve wrote: post #38

I remember reading on Kelloggs box: If it doesn't say Kelloggs on the box, it's not Kelloggs in the box. Where I live many people call Kelloggs any cereal boxes. I though they should have been proud that their every such product is called by their name. Pampers also comes to my mind - almost no one calls them diapers - just pampers be it from any manufacturer.

I'm googling how to photoshop this image of pampers & kelloggs.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by lucb1e »

michaelmior wrote: post #39
lucb1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's an excellent excuse to try to get people to stop making implicit product recommendations and reinforcing a de facto standard (monpoly?) when they are really just trying to say "photo editing". Adobe's Creative Suite is a little pet peeve of mine. Many people I know have it illegally (I'm a student, so that says something about the financial capabilities of my peers), and even if they can afford it they s…

I don't think it's terribly expensive if you're a creative professional when you consider the Creative Cloud subscription model. The main reason it has become the standard is because it's so great. I'm not sure what you mean by "apparently we can't negotiate." There are bulk licensing deals and student discounts. If you're a student, you can get Photoshop and Lightroom for $10/mo. If someone needs it for one course,…

Also Dutch students doing only semi-related studies? Last time I looked into it, it was a few hundred bucks at least, and more if you used it commercially.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by orless »

Here's an interesting case from the open-source world.

Apache holds the "Apache Maven" trademark. Apache Maven is a build management/automation tool which uses a lot of "plugins".

The peculiar part is that Apache won't let you name your plugin "maven--plugin" whereas "-maven-plugin" is allowed. The wording is:

"Calling it maven--plugin (note "Maven" is at the beginning of the plugin name) is strongly discouraged since it's a reserved naming pattern for official Apache Maven plugins maintained by the Apache Maven team with groupId org.apache.maven.plugins. Using this naming pattern is an infringement of the Apache Maven Trademark."

https://maven.apache.org/guides/plugin/guide-java-plugin-dev...

To be clear, we're talking about technical naming here, similar to how you'd name a package or an executable file. These names are actually composite, the full plugin name consists of a "groupId" like "com.acme.foo" and "artifactId" like "-maven-plugin". For non-"org.apache.maven.plugins" plugins groupdId is mandatory, so "com.acme.foo:maven-foobar-plugin" makes it pretty clear that it's not an Apache development.

I'm a plugin developer who had the bad luck naming my plugin "maven--plugin" before this convention was established. There's an established user base, a lot of documentation, StackOverflow tags etc. There exists also an alternative plugin named "-maven-plugin".

But still once in a while I get contacted by someone (from Apache or totally unrelated) who educates me on how the name of my plugin infringes on the Apache Maven Trademark.

I strongly disagree with this and my position was ever since that if Apache wants to enforce this trademark, they are totally welcome to send me a "Cease and Desist" letter. I'll print it out, hang it on the wall and then shut down the project.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by fujiters »

briandear wrote: post #35
lucb1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's an excellent excuse to try to get people to stop making implicit product recommendations and reinforcing a de facto standard (monpoly?) when they are really just trying to say "photo editing". Adobe's Creative Suite is a little pet peeve of mine. Many people I know have it illegally (I'm a student, so that says something about the financial capabilities of my peers), and even if they can afford it they s…

$29 per month for the student subscription which includes access to ALL creative cloud products? That isn't expensive at all especially in the context of higher education where a single textbook can cost over $100.

When I was in college, I bought used books and sold them online as soon as the course was over (unless there was good reason to think I'd use the book again). $29/month is a lot to spend unless you have the time and preexisting skills to use them to make that money back.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by qbrass »

Tomte wrote: post #24

It reminds me of "Legos". It is a shibboleth, and the "Lego community" is incredibly serious about it, to the point of incivility, but who cares?

The "Lego Community" misses the point, arguing over the pluralization instead of realizing the company doesn't want you using the word to describe the blocks at all.

Re: Photoshop is not a verb

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Post by kriro »

briandear wrote: post #35
lucb1e wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's an excellent excuse to try to get people to stop making implicit product recommendations and reinforcing a de facto standard (monpoly?) when they are really just trying to say "photo editing". Adobe's Creative Suite is a little pet peeve of mine. Many people I know have it illegally (I'm a student, so that says something about the financial capabilities of my peers), and even if they can afford it they s…

$29 per month for the student subscription which includes access to ALL creative cloud products? That isn't expensive at all especially in the context of higher education where a single textbook can cost over $100.

I think daily income of an undergraduate level engineer in countries like India is in the 10-15$/day range. It's substantially lower in some African countries. It's pretty strange that the software industry seems incapable of offering software priced by country. Both have marginal reproduction costs. I'd of course recommend using FLOSS software but it's a self feeding vicious circle of "no Photoshop skills no job for you...lol Gimp". I'm pretty sure software "piracy" is gladly accepted in low income countries as long as the corporate/government licenses are bought. That was very much true for Microsoft licenses when I was in Africa. Administrator basically meant Windows-Administrator which was mind boggling since TCO should be in favor of Linux and the like in low income countries but if there's only a tiny pool of admins the TCO rises compared to Windows (due to accepted "piracy"). I thought it was a very interesting (and sad) phenomenon.
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