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2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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Re: 2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not meeting any of them means you are not a finisher of the Barkley Marathon. Article is scant about anything other than the >60hr time. It doesn't say he would not have qualified had he come in under 60. (So the fellow who finished under 60 hours met all those other requirements to the letter? Not a single wrong turn, etc?) > Ok, so if we say 6 seconds, that's really close enough. Close enough to what? Nobody is s…

The article is pretty scant on the rules details, I agree with you on that. It's not just that he took a wrong turn (which is common and small deviations are somewhat expected), he went a couple miles off course. Laz (who runs the race) made that point in the video that was linked from the article. Laz made it even more clear in a post on facebook per [0]: “[…] gary had just come in after having run off course and mi…

> he failed to complete the barkley by 2 miles.

That's very different; in that case, the finish line crossing time has no meaning (and perhaps shouldn't even be quoted around).

Going for another two miles to cover the missing distance could take an hour or more in that body condition (even on an ideal, flat surface, never mind the actual one). Especially given that he calculated his remaining physical resources with regard to where he thought the finish lied.

I accept responsibility for getting carried away with an article that is lacking in crucial details and helping to perpetrate the wrong story.

> Arriving after that point means you didn't finish the race in the allotted time.

In the eyes of the world, you finished. If we drop the "in the alloted time" part, the remaining statement's face value interpretation in the world at large is false. (The unqualified statement may still be understood properly in the narrow context shared by a group of people, in which the condition is implicit, but carrying that statement over to the world at large without context is equivocation.)

Re: 2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is pretty scant on the rules details, I agree with you on that. It's not just that he took a wrong turn (which is common and small deviations are somewhat expected), he went a couple miles off course. Laz (who runs the race) made that point in the video that was linked from the article. Laz made it even more clear in a post on facebook per [0]: “[…] gary had just come in after having run off course and mi…

> he failed to complete the barkley by 2 miles. That's very different; in that case, the finish line crossing time has no meaning (and perhaps shouldn't even be quoted around). Going for another two miles to cover the missing distance could take an hour or more in that body condition (even on an ideal, flat surface, never mind the actual one). Especially given that he calculated his remaining physical resources with…

> In the eyes of the world, you finished. If we drop the "in the alloted time" part, the remaining statement's face value interpretation in the world at large is false. (The unqualified statement may still be understood properly in the narrow context shared by a group of people, in which the condition is implicit, but carrying that statement over to the world at large without context is equivocation.)

So perhaps this is the root of our disagreement. People who complete the Barkley marathon (including within time) are not called winners, they're called finishers (e.g. see the wikipedia page). Therefore the term 'Barkley marathons finisher' implies 'within the allotted time' in this context. Admittedly, when a domain-specific publication like this gets posted to a more general audience, that sort of terminology difference from standard English can be lost.

Re: 2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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post #38

The 6 second thing is a little bit of a mistake that sensationalizes the story. He actually ran off course for 2 miles and missed some of the checkpoints - full text from the race director below [1]. Obviously this race is pretty hardcore and the people that participate are freaking awesome! The race should be sensational based on that alone, but alas journalists need to add a little more spice... A message from the…

Read this from Gary: http://garyrobbinsrun.com/blog/2017/4/close-but-no-cigarette Amazing.

> The river was maybe fifteen feet wide and absolutely raging from all the rain we were experiencing. I took one step off the river bank and was already chest deep. I would never have made the decision to attempt to swim such waters under anything other than a highly sleep deprived and stressed state of mind.

It really seems like just a matter of time until someone dies on the course.

Re: 2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read this from Gary: http://garyrobbinsrun.com/blog/2017/4/close-but-no-cigarette Amazing.

> The river was maybe fifteen feet wide and absolutely raging from all the rain we were experiencing. I took one step off the river bank and was already chest deep. I would never have made the decision to attempt to swim such waters under anything other than a highly sleep deprived and stressed state of mind. It really seems like just a matter of time until someone dies on the course.

That's true of many trail ultras with single track. A wrong step in the wrong place you're going down a cliff.

Re: 2017 Barkley Marathon features one finisher, heartbreak for Gary Robbins

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I don't get how the first person to complete 4 loops had the "choice" to decide which way to run the last one. Was he choosing for everyone? This doesn't make sense, because my understanding is runners can go ANY direction they want. If they have to reverse for the 5th loop, they have to reverse relative to their OWN race direction.

For the first two loops, everyone runs clockwise. For the next two, counter clockwise. For the last lap, the leader picks a direction and anyone left alternates, so odds follow the leader, evens go the opposite way. In this case, John picked CW, so Gary had to go CCW. Although per twitter, they had discussed it during the 4th lap and decided it mutually.

Thank you. I must have mis-remembered or mis-understood the documentary. Or perhaps the rules changed.
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