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Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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I wish there was a way to distinguish the quality of a worker from the degrees of a worker. Its not just that one wants a "computer technology worker", but one wants an individual who can communicate, work hard when needed, take on responsibility, easily read and comprehend instructions and so on. These are weakly correlated with degrees or how technical a field of study is. An art history undergrad could easily disp…

If we are looking for criteria in regards to H1B visas, I think it makes most sense to instead of having a lottery to pick up candidates, the criteria should be which candidates will get higher salary. By putting a price on a candidate, companies can then decide how valuable a given person is to them and let free market decide who gets the visa. This has several advantages, it allows sponsoring truly qualified candid…

This actually makes sense. If the company thinks you are really needed, they will pay more for you. The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead. This would be a win-win because the under-qualified get filtered and the good ones get paid on par.

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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An immigration lawyer's take:

http://immigrationgirl.com/uscis-rescinds-memo-on-h-1b-speci...

She concludes:

"The new memo issued Friday rescinds that old memo and basically reminds officers that they must look at the particular position and its job duties to determine whether it meets the definition of specialty occupation, rather than relying solely on the OOH. I think the main issue with the old memo was that it gave kind of a blanket statement that all programmers should be specialty occupations.

The new memo does not change the rules, it just reminds us that a petitioner must be able to establish that a particular position qualifies as a specialty occupation in order to be eligible for the H-1B visa."

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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To quote from the document (top of page 3): https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/nativedocume... > The [previous] memorandum also does not properly explain or distinguish an entry-level position from one that is, for example, more senior, complex, specialized, or unique. This is relevant in that, absent additional evidence to the contrary, the [Occupational Outlook] Handbook indicates that an individual wi…

To answer your question:

No, a foreign candidate either needs the BS in CS or they can use work equivalency [1]. However if you worked your whole life in a different field and have no relevant degree, I would assume you are not eligible. Otherwise it'd basically make 7 billion people eligible for the H1-B.

If your other technical field is let's say petroleum engineering, you could surely get a H-1B as a petroleum engineer, but not as a programmer or a lawyer for instance, which I think makes total sense. (Unless you're good looking, then you could get a H-1B as a fashion model :) )

Check out the wikipedia definition for "specialty occupation" : requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor [2]

[1] http://www.shihabimmigrationfirm.com/h-1b-degree-equivalency...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we are looking for criteria in regards to H1B visas, I think it makes most sense to instead of having a lottery to pick up candidates, the criteria should be which candidates will get higher salary. By putting a price on a candidate, companies can then decide how valuable a given person is to them and let free market decide who gets the visa. This has several advantages, it allows sponsoring truly qualified candid…

This actually makes sense. If the company thinks you are really needed, they will pay more for you. The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead. This would be a win-win because the under-qualified get filtered and the good ones get paid on par.

> The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead.

Except this is already the case?

Hiring a H1B worker isn't free. It costs something like $10K in legal costs alone. Do you really think a lot of companies are indulging in a large-scale conspiracy to avoid paying that $10K to an American instead? If you want the worker to stay longer than a couple years, you'll need to renew the H1B and probably file a PERM application as well. All of this costs something like $20K at the minimum.

Getting a position on a H1B is by no means easy or cheap. If a company could hire an American, they'd much rather do it. And if the H1B thing were all about cheap foreign workers, spouses of H1Bs wouldn't have had so much trouble getting hired in the pre-Obama era. Anecdotally, I know many women with Master's degrees from top-tier US universities who were desperate to find a position, and were willing to take wages well-below par, but couldn't because companies didn't want to pay for the H1B. It's also why if you look at resumes/linkedin profiles for Indians in the US, many will advertise their green cards/citizenship status. They're communicating that employers don't need to file a H1B petition for them.

Yes, it's true there are a few companies which have exploited H1Bs to bring in cheap labor. But from a statistical point of view, this is about as common as the epidemic of violence at Chuck-e-Cheese. In other words, it's a nice news story that plays well as a clickbait headline, in reality, it's a non-issue.

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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By reading the actual guidance [1] it seems USCIS will not consider the position of programmer to qualify as a specialty occupation because companies can hire people without degree to do programing. Thus, just saying "programer" will not be enough for H1B petition.

The question here is whether this is going to have any influence on number of H1B visas received by Infosys, Tata, Winpro, Accenture and similar companies.

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/nativedocume...

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This actually makes sense. If the company thinks you are really needed, they will pay more for you. The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead. This would be a win-win because the under-qualified get filtered and the good ones get paid on par.

> The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead. Except this is already the case? Hiring a H1B worker isn't free. It costs something like $10K in legal costs alone. Do you really think a lot of companies are indulging in a large-scale conspiracy to avoid paying that $10K to an American instead? If you want the worker to stay longer than a couple years, you'…

> All of this costs something like $20K at the minimum.

So they only need to be cheaper by $20K over a couple of years for it to be worth it?

That seems like a fairly small cost to overcome.

And if there isn't very much demand for H1Bs, even with "bidding" we'd expect the cost to companies to stay the same.

It isn't clear to me why prioritizing the value of an employee (as measured by how much they are paid) would not be an effective way of prioritizing H1B visas.

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For immigration purposes the distinction centers around the fact that developers 'merely' implement systems and software engineers are expected to design and implement systems. This is based on my experience with the TN status.

In this case, there is a lot of visa fraud out there.

and it's clear that the trump administration is going to take a whole new slant on this work visa thing...just like he said he would....

Re: Changes to USCIS policy on eligibility criteria for H1B visa

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post #41
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we are looking for criteria in regards to H1B visas, I think it makes most sense to instead of having a lottery to pick up candidates, the criteria should be which candidates will get higher salary. By putting a price on a candidate, companies can then decide how valuable a given person is to them and let free market decide who gets the visa. This has several advantages, it allows sponsoring truly qualified candid…

This actually makes sense. If the company thinks you are really needed, they will pay more for you. The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead. This would be a win-win because the under-qualified get filtered and the good ones get paid on par.

> The bidding may go high, but it will only go as high as how much it would cost to hire an American instead.

If someone made a "tech H-1B" bucket that would work, because the training lag is short(er).

Speciality professions have a long lag before policy changes circle back to results - H-1B's wide reach covers anesthesiologists and radiologists too.

The immediate effect of forcing a price war is that you get folks who are at the end of their careers instead of folks in the middle of their careers.

The way this plays out is that the mid-career gets starved - because you get experts even if you don't nurture the 45 year old into being one.

And you end up with a 55 year old expert working with a 28 year old who's on the verge of going back to do some more research, fully knowing that there aren't any 40 year olds who will stick around there to pass their chair to in a few years.

Money isn't time ... and this is one case, where the supply-side needs to be worked on, not the demand surge.

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